http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/ Engadget Comments for Unearthed Microsoft emails reveal reaction to iTunes launch, make us giddy for MWC http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Feb 10th 2010 10:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Feb 10th 2010 11:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
While I have been a Zune HD holdout as well, but if they introduce something like the Zune Pass for TV shows, I will sign up in a heartbeat and get a dock as well. It shouldn't be hard to do. Most shows are free online anyway and they could use a Movielink type deal where you can download a show and have a week or so to watch it before the download "expires."]]>Feb 10th 2010 12:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
Actually, that's one of the main reasons I bought a Zune HD - it's size. It is 2/3 the weight of the Touch and more portable. It's easier to take everywhere (jogs, etc). Although it's not my primary web surfing device, 3.2" is plenty big to do what you need to do. Plus that OLED screen is breathtaking.]]>Feb 10th 2010 12:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Feb 10th 2010 1:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Feb 10th 2010 1:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Feb 11th 2010 2:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/At the rapid rate of mobile hardware advancement, if the HD2, if it even runs WP7, will probably be the least capable device running it.

At any rate, I, as well, am very excited for what is to come.

If MS can manage torpedo it's way to the top, their model of a stable core with everything else open to 3rd party development coupled with excellent, established hardware partnerships has proven very conducive to an accelerated rate of tech breakthroughs.

Though new breakthroughs have come at an impressive rate, I think the Blackberry/iPhone/Android reign has stunted mobile growth. Apple hand-picks its short list of hardware vendors pre-assembly. 3rd party development possibilities could be compared to running from a floppy disk, because of their tight grip of core component's exposure to the outside. Contrastly, Android’s appeal is in some ways its biggest downfall. Open-Source is great on the surface, but more often than not, just means an ever-changing platform to code against. Its volatility is merited, because changes are made to improve the product, but there exists no accountability that core changes have everyone’s best interest in mind. This leaves most developers reinventing the wheel over and over in order provide any worthwhile software. So, in both cases (iPhone and Android), we end up with the huge influx of nonsensical trinket apps that we are seeing now, and the only impressive development is coming from Apple in their case, and Google in the case of Android. Blackberry, not to be too harsh, is a sitting duck. They are thriving from a lack of anything else.

Either way, if MS manages to make its way to the top with this concept, I think we can expect a development renaissance headed-up by the infinitely powerful smart clients, namely those for augmented reality integrating internet historic data, physical location information like GPS, directional info from accelerometers, user-supplied content from the internet, medical information, and really anything. I think it will be exciting to have a mobile leader that promotes the development associated with improving quality of life, and all-around increased efficiency in the tasks of life. Instead of what we have now: a neverending flow of next-gen variations on Tetris, guitar simulators, and so-on.

We live in extremely strange times, sometimes terrifying, sometimes bizarre, but more often than not, awe-inspiring and completely astonishing as we continue finding out the furthest-most edge of possible in every direction.]]>Feb 15th 2010 7:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Feb 10th 2010 10:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
I ]]>Feb 10th 2010 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Feb 10th 2010 11:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
mines 2 years old. i use the windows classic theme to make it run faster. i keep my laptop clean. i have quicktime alternative installed because quicktime is just as bad. i needed to sync my iPod so i had to install iTunes, and it's the only programme what works like a 200 year old crossing the street. ]]>Feb 10th 2010 11:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
dunno why i never had a problem with itunes on my mac... it's always worked and never really caused any problem at all... its performance's pretty good on video playback too...

but maybe it's the PC version that's shit...]]>Feb 10th 2010 11:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
I don't have a compter from 1999 either, but iTunes stills runs slow as hell.]]>Feb 10th 2010 11:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Feb 10th 2010 11:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/dont forget quicktime too! a commenter here at engadget suggested i use quicktime to play movies. i almost puked!]]>Feb 10th 2010 11:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/3rd party software called Tune Tools 2 ( about $ 20). When I had an 8G Nano, I used that in windows xp. It worked better IMHO.]]>Feb 10th 2010 11:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
Yeah, the PC version is total shit.
But the Mac OS version isn't particularly good either.

The Zune software is pretty good and gets better and better. It might replace Windows Media Player in the next Windows version, as they're busy adding all the features of WMP to the Zune software.

Anyway, on the PC, both Windows Media Player and Zune software are much better than iTunes, which is slow and buggy as hell. On the Mac, iTunes is OK, but like WMP on Windows being replaced by Zune, a lighter replacement for iTunes on the Mac wouldn't be a bad idea.]]>Feb 10th 2010 11:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Feb 10th 2010 11:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
iTunes on a genuine Mac doesn't seem any better than iTunes in a Windows VM.

It's a shame that Apple has actively worked to make newer ipod type devices unusable in alternate sync applications.]]>Feb 10th 2010 11:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
I've never installed iTunes on any of my PCs after seeing it on other computers. I purchase and download music from Amazon and play music on the Zune software (which I really like), Winamp, or Foobar if I am using my headphones.]]>Feb 10th 2010 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Step 1: Get everyone to buy an iPod
Step 2: Make iTunes good on a Mac and suck balls on Widows
Step 3: People notice that their music exp would be better on Mac
Step 4: Apple rules the world

WM7 had better bring it because I've been holding out for it.]]>Feb 10th 2010 12:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
I have noticed this as well. iTunes works really really well on my mac. Runs like legless hamster on my Windows machine. I swear its deliberate!]]>Feb 10th 2010 12:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/I use Media Monkey on win.. love it..]]>Feb 10th 2010 12:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
Just as there are a number of MS products that don't run as well on OS X, Apple software like iTunes and Quicktime have been equally crappy on Windows. That's just the way it is. Whether deliberate or a side effect of putting less than optimal resources into software for 'the competitor' (which in itself is deliberate, I know), it sucks for the end user.]]>Feb 10th 2010 12:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Feb 10th 2010 12:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Feb 10th 2010 1:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Article forgot to say "on Windows".

I've never had a problem with iTunes in OS X. For that matter, I've never had problems with it in Windows, but the conventional wisdom says it sucks on that platform. I'll take the word of more experienced iTunes Windows users on that one.]]>Feb 10th 2010 1:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
ya, thats so logical. apple makes a product for windows and it sucks, so clearly thats windows fault. its not like there are other media players that run on less than a 1/5th of the processor/ram compared to itunes. nope...no winamp, no foobar, no vlc, no kmplayer etc etc etc

for the record, i use winamp for audio and kmplayer for video.]]>Feb 10th 2010 1:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Feb 10th 2010 1:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
Mine really isn't that bad under Windows. Steady right at about 50MB RAM and ~2% CPU during playback.

Is that too much?]]>Feb 10th 2010 3:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
Yeah, iTunes sucks on Windows. But, do you wanna know what I do? I open iTunes once a day to update my podcasts and sync them to my old iPod Nano. Done.

I only add music to my iPod maybe a couple times a month, so that doesn't bother me either. I never spend any serious amount of time in iTunes... I don't need to.

And I've never *listened* to music using iTunes. If I wanna hear a song, I navigate to my collection of songs, organized into folders by artist and album, and play them in Winamp.

iTunes is just what I use to sync my iPod. Nothing more. Does it suck that iTunes is required? Yes... but it's hardly a deal-breaker.

I love how people say that dragging 'n dropping is better... and for some people it might be. But, I can't imagine the iPod gaining so much momentum in the general population without software like iTunes to make it all work. Most people don't know how to organize any of their documents and pictures anyway... can you imagine how messy their music collection would be?

And things like the iTunes Store would have been a mess if it wasn't for the iTunes software. Imagine someone paying for a song... but they lose it because it gets saved to some location on their computer without them knowing it. Send a non-techie friend an email attachment and see what they do with it... it will probably get saved to the Desktop along with months of other browser downloads. You gotta remember that most people know nothing about computers... but you expect them to keep track of 1000 songs. Look at your friends' photo collections and see what I mean.

If you're reading Engadget, you probably know how to properly organize your files. But, most people don't.]]>Feb 10th 2010 3:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/songbird does but it's still not that mature...]]>Feb 11th 2010 1:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
My best friend and his spouse both have Mac's and I constantly see their systems run like crap on iTunes and any other piece of software. I'm like "you dog on me for using Windows for this?" I just don't argue. I cant stand iTunes whether it's on a Mac or PC. I respect that they really changed the way people buy music (if it weren't for them we might not have AmazonMP3, Zune Marketplace, etc for music) but the software is crap.]]>Feb 11th 2010 3:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
Yeah dude i'm in your camp. Since itunes inception, i've never, EVER had an issue with it.

I'm sure they are talking about the pc version. I mean, they HAVE to be.]]>Feb 13th 2010 3:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Not all of us want a minimal music player that looks like it was designed in 2000. What are you doing on your computer that you need to be so conservative? I use Windows 7 with Aero, iTunes, and many other programs simultaneously and I don't have much of a problem. My laptop is 2 years old.]]>Feb 17th 2010 12:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Feb 10th 2010 10:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Feb 10th 2010 11:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
I don't know which collective is sadder, the ones who keep on rooting for the 800lb gorilla (apple) or the ones who keep on hoping the blue whale (microsoft) does a 360 on a dime to show the gorilla. ]]>Feb 10th 2010 12:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
Boohooo, Apple is #1 at something, so let's root for MSFT to knock them down! Boo! Down with Apple! Boo!

Where's that PC-Free Engadget button?]]>Feb 10th 2010 4:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Actually, I just think iTunes is annoying with it's lack of 3rd party support, outdated windows (modal dialogs), lack of cocoa, and terrible movie playback. ]]>Feb 10th 2010 5:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
Now, about that 800-pound gorilla thing....]]>Feb 10th 2010 5:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Competition forces the gorilla and the whale to get better at what they do!!]]>Feb 10th 2010 7:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
Zune
Xbox
Windows 7
And hopefully WinMo7.

I was really excited for the iPad but jobs shot me in the balls. I think the iPhone is let down for me Personally because of the way apple goes around things. Although there's a good chance I may end up owning an iPhone if they make a good phone this year I'm more likly to head for WinMo 7 if its as good as I want to be.

The Microsoft-apple Wars are back on and I fro one am really looking forward to being a consumer over the next year]]>Feb 10th 2010 10:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
You have to decide if you are Microsoft fanboy or a Ballmer fanboy. If you really are rooting for Microsoft, you should be clamoring for a new CEO. Ballmer is not the one. He might have been okay as a number two hatchet man type of fellow, but as the top guy, his vision is either nonexistent or extremely faulty.

]]>Feb 10th 2010 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/why do I have to be a fanboy to like something. Because I'm not a fanboy of apple? ]]>Feb 10th 2010 11:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/
Are you retar -- oops, I mean intellectually challenged? Look at the MSFT share price over the past ten years and then explain what you see in terms of Ballmer doing an "exceptional" job. LOL]]>Feb 10th 2010 11:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/"@kris120890 It's nice to dream isn't it? Zune is a flop. You don't see it because you like it a lot but the industry numbers don't lie."

So is OSX, Macs, Apple TV, MacBook Air, and perhaps the iPAd too using that standard.

"WinMo7 will have its captive audience but it might be too little too late and it will have to be purchased by handset makers while Android is free."

Also, Android is not "free". It is controlled by Google at the price for handset makers not having to buy a licensing fee.

And can you people please stop with this "too little too late" BS? Do you seriously think all of the people that will own smartphones HAVE one? What type of crooked nonsense leads one to such a conclusion is beyond me.
]]>Feb 10th 2010 11:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Like I care about Share Prices.
Look at apples they've been quite consistent but then look at their products.

iPod touch = crap compared to most other PMPs.
iPod Shuffle = crap
Apple TV = Just plain crap
Macbook Air = crap.]]>Feb 10th 2010 11:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/unearthed-microsoft-emails-reveal-reaction-to-itunes-launch-mak/Feb 10th 2010 11:47AM