http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 14th 2010 8:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/
...what?]]>Feb 14th 2010 8:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 14th 2010 8:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 14th 2010 9:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/
Wow. That was... wow. :\]]>Feb 14th 2010 11:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/ Wait... Ohhh well played sir, well played.]]>Feb 14th 2010 11:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Awesome? Really? How about enabling PS2 software emulation finally, that would be awesome.]]>Feb 15th 2010 2:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/how bout buy the ps3 with b/c when it was out
if you guys really wanted it bad enough you wouldnt have complained about the price and just bought then
boo hoo i cant have cheap price and b/c]]>Feb 15th 2010 4:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Maybe we didn't want to plunk down $600 for a console just released, without too many games. Also, why a company would remove backwards compatibility, I don't know. But really.]]>Apr 8th 2010 8:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 14th 2010 8:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 14th 2010 8:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/
I assume we are going to need new 3D ready TVs]]>Feb 14th 2010 8:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/
Yea & Yes]]>Feb 14th 2010 9:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/no one is releasing a glasses free 3D TV's NO one this year, it mostliky will be 3-5 years away. Those are still in R&D stage because of viewing angle issues. ]]>Feb 14th 2010 9:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Seriously? 3 to 5 years? I expect to have full 3D Laser Projection Systems in that time!]]>Feb 15th 2010 3:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/
Very nice]]>Feb 14th 2010 8:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/
Reminds me of an email I got from microsoft in French last week. WTF?? Turns out it was an accident. Fix yourself god-damnit!]]>Feb 14th 2010 9:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 14th 2010 8:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 14th 2010 9:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/PC games have been in 3D for years now.
Check out NVIDIA 3D Vision.]]>Feb 14th 2010 9:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/I have a 3D setup w/ a DLP projector and nVidia 3D Vision. Quite amazing, especially the Avatar game.]]>Feb 14th 2010 11:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 14th 2010 8:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/
I always thought the PS3 was ahead of the times when it was launched. In the next 2-4 years, MS will have to get a new console out, Nintendo would definitely need to in the next 2. Sony, won't.]]>Feb 14th 2010 9:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Sorry, for the comment; i'm on a mission.
"The PS3 does everything, but play PS2 games."]]>Feb 15th 2010 2:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 15th 2010 7:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Well I don't really expect much from it, I still own lots of ps2 games i enjoy playing but the ps2 i used was "the family system" so i don't own a system that can play ps2 games anymore.]]>Feb 15th 2010 12:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/
If they don't then consumers have the idea that "Newer=Better" and Sony will lose out big time. However if the Xbox v3 is just a "PS3 Catchup" and I can see that the PS4 is considerably better than the PS3 and maybe will get these great firmware updates in future, I won't choose MS again. I'll buy a PlayStation this time around.]]>Feb 15th 2010 1:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 14th 2010 9:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 14th 2010 9:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/
This won't be free for games. I believe you will see very similar results to your PC, ie, nearly half the framerate.

Avatar: The game supports 3D output (on both the 360 and PS3) by rendering the screen in half (left half for left eye, right half for right eye). It can also render every other line for left/right, etc. So basically, it halves the resolution for each eye and draws everything twice. The other option is every other frame swaps left/right.

In the case of Avatar, I believe you have to manually set the TV to '3D mode' - although as I do not have a 3D TV, I'm not 100% sure on this.

This PS3 update will be adding support for the new HDMI 3D standards, which will mean the switch should be automatic.

The irony of all this, is that the PS3 architecture is far less suited to 3D games than the 360. Perhaps the biggest weakness of the PS3 is it's rather poor triangle setup rate. It's so bad, many, many PS3 games use the cell processor to handle a large portion of the vertex load. Now, with a half/half 3D output, your pixel load generally doesn't change, but your vertex load doubles.

On the 360, this is less of a problem. The hardware is designed for split viewports because of Tiling, and has a massively higher triangle rate to compensate for having to draw geometry multiple times. It even has predicated tiling, where it can automatically redraw geometry, perfect for 'automatic' 3D.

As expected, enabling 3D output in Avatar sees a *far* larger performance hit on the PS3 than the 360.]]>Feb 14th 2010 9:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/
Why would the vertexes need to be loaded twice, just render the same vertexes from two different camera positions.]]>Feb 14th 2010 10:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/
don't mind statusunknown, he's really not speaking with any knowledge about how PS3 3D works. In fact, it doesn't sound like he's ever played a game on the 360 or the PS3 with 3d.

3D blu-ray was in development before the PS3 launched, and this is something that has been planned for. Your PS3s will be able to have 60 fps 3D games, and the PS3 is much better suited to this capability than the system that well... will never have that capability.

There's really nothing wrong with the 360, though. Most gamers won't have the TV for this tech and the 360 has many advantages. But this kind of FUD, and the HDMI 1.4 FUD is going to really come out in force until this tech is in homes and people have to accept, again, that the PS3 really is a pretty nifty device that lives up to promises for the most part.]]>Feb 14th 2010 11:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 15th 2010 12:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/NO ONE CARES!!!!!]]>Feb 15th 2010 1:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 15th 2010 1:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 14th 2010 9:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 14th 2010 9:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/ The PS3 down scales it too 540p then upscaled by the 3D tv to 1080p pre eye.
HDMI 1.3a/b can not handle duel channel 1080p output.
HDMI 1.4 even sucks because you can not run 3D (I could not careless about) & run HD audio at the same time, you have to run 2 HDMI's, 1 for 3D & 1 for HD audio.
Hopefully they will fix that with HDMI 1.5. ]]>Feb 14th 2010 10:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/
That requirement was FUD marketing. Like that BBC Yellow Light of Death scandal that had to be retracted.]]>Feb 15th 2010 12:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 14th 2010 9:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/they rock my socks off!]]>Feb 14th 2010 10:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/
That said, I'm buying a 360 later today from a mate ;P]]>Feb 14th 2010 9:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 14th 2010 9:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/
Wrong.]]>Feb 14th 2010 11:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 14th 2010 10:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 14th 2010 11:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/It's the Debug menu. That menu isn't in retail versions of the firmware.]]>Feb 14th 2010 11:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 15th 2010 1:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Why would or should sony waste, IMHO, their time putting 3-D technology onto the ps3, when 3-D tv's probably won't hit consumers for 3-5 years and games with 3-D settings probably won't hit for 5-7 years?
Seriously, a technology that isn't even relative for the next 4 years minimum is more important to get implemented and working before software emulation of PS2 games? And even at that the PS1 emulation is actually a little disappointing; i know sony is a big company, so i know that they could handle making the controls even better.

Sorry for my rant, and thanks for reading; if you did.]]>Feb 15th 2010 2:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/ps3-3d-video-output-turns-up-in-3-20-debug-firmware/Feb 15th 2010 3:54AM