http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/ Engadget Comments for Editorial: Engadget on Windows Phone 7 Series http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/Feb 15th 2010 10:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/Feb 15th 2010 10:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/Feb 15th 2010 10:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
a good product always gets praised on this blog, accept it already]]>Feb 15th 2010 10:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
Don't kid yourself, they're praising it only because it's different. They perceive it as more iPhone-like. They feel vindicated because it's so different from the current WinMo, which they've spent years railing against, even though it outclasses their favorite device in all but superficial aspects.

I'm a huge WinMo advocate and I'm taking a wait and see approach with WP7. The UI doesn't seem radically different to the tiles that Sony Ericsson used on the original Xperia. The Zune UI and focus on Facebook and social networking seem a little like pandering to me, but I admit, those aren't my primary reasons for using a smartphone, so maybe I'm not the target audience. It could be an interesting OS, but the lack of even a basic dialer app on a smartphone OS at its big launch is concerning to me. I guess we'll see what happens over the next several months.]]>Feb 15th 2010 10:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/i thought thoose were from steve job's mother's gravestone and are unknown about by steve to have been stolen]]>Feb 15th 2010 10:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/Feb 15th 2010 10:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/Feb 15th 2010 10:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
Good products should always get praise. I was pointing out how its nice to see a Microsoft product (especially in the phone dept) being praised by Engadget. Haven't seen that in awhile. And I think it deserves it. Despite the lingering questions, WinMo7 has alot of potential.]]>Feb 15th 2010 10:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/Feb 15th 2010 10:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
God I'm so sick of you Apple haters...

GO TO ANOTHER WEBSITE IF YOU HATE ENGADGET SO MUCH....]]>Feb 15th 2010 10:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
I am very happy to see this although while I see a lot of praise about Microsoft taking this gamble forgetting its past. Many of the editors are worried about how it is straying so far away from the old windows mobile and asking questions about whether it will be able to do this or that in terms of for business users, not just the everyday user. If you are so excited about the big M's new approach to the windows mobile platform, why do you keep asking about if it can do what it used to?

I understand the concerns but it seems like some people are being very contradictory.

Anyway I am very excited for WS7P and I think Microsoft will be able to innovate a lot in the smartphone industry, keep (re-invent) the tools needed for business aspects as well as pleasing the everyday user.]]>Feb 15th 2010 10:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
Maybe because those are valid questions?

Josh in particular brings up a lot of valid concerns. Is there going to be an App Store?

What about multitasking? All the Apple haters and Engadget trolls love to bitch at Apple about not having multitasking (although they neglect to provide any concrete examples of when it would be useful).

Yet MS and Ballmer and Co get on stage announce a VERY NICE looking OS but they fail to provide any details about whether or not it will support multitasking.

Yet no word of complaint from the Engadget Trolls/Apple Haters.

Typical hypocrisy. If you have such hatred for Apple and the fact that Apple has dedicated customers that favor Engadget as their site then GO ELSEWHERE.]]>Feb 15th 2010 10:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/Feb 15th 2010 11:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
I will reserve final judgement until the specs are finalized, and I have a chance to play with one. I like the current standard WM interface customized with utilities such as Pocket Plus, and I multi-task applications daily. I have tried the slicker UI shells for WM, but usually end up back with the standard UI utilizing Pocket Plus enhancements. From my perspective, the pendulum has swung way too far in the direction of how pretty, and slick the UI's are vs. does the device do what you want easily, quickly and reliably. It seems that no matter how feature deficient a device may be, and how many more steps it takes to perform a task, it is ok with the tech press as long as there are multiple animated transitions, and it looks "cool".

I know MS felt they had to make a major change to keep pace with the more modern over-hyped phone OS's. IMO, they went too far, and threw the baby out with the bath water, Based on the limited info available, the things I liked about WM such as multi-tasking, and customizable UI's have been discarded for extensive social network integration, and slickness. I know I am probably in the minority, but I am disappointed with this release.

As indicated above, I will reserve final judgement until the specs are finalized; however, based on the initial info available, this long time WM fan (over a dozen WM PDAs / Smarphones) may switch to another platform, probably Android since the iPhone is too limited for my needs.]]>Feb 15th 2010 11:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/Maybe you didn't read my whole response or maybe you misunderstood what I meant to say I agree that those are questions that need to be answered.
"Typical hypocrisy. If you have such hatred for Apple and the fact that Apple has dedicated customers that favor Engadget as their site then GO ELSEWHERE."
-Where did you get that from my response I was simply stating that it some of whats being said sounds a little hypocritical. I'm trying to have a conversation about this as a whole not saying anyone is wrong or right given the amount of unanswered questions. So before you get all worked up and decide you know where I stand just think about what I originally said...]]>Feb 15th 2010 11:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/ I agree with you very much and am using a G1 for now(rooted with Super Fried Donut 1.8) and it's great for me.]]>Feb 15th 2010 11:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
I must have missed the announcement where MS said that they were detailing EVERYTHING in their presentation this morning.

Look the OS is going to be ready to roll for the Holiday season. There's another 5-6 months before we even see leaked releases of the OS. Today was meant to highlight the HUGE changes coming to WinMo - not to dive into the minutia.

That said, multitasking (or some reasonable implementation of it) is mandatory. Flash, or 3rd party browsers is mandatory. Side loading is mandatory. I could care less about multitouch or capacitive screens. As a die hard fan of WinMo there are plenty of things to like in this new version. There are also plenty of things that need to be figured out prior to release. As it stands now, I'm cautiously optimistic.]]>Feb 15th 2010 11:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/I think they should do these editorials where the whole staff speaks, for every big released product. It really introduces a sense of balance, and will do a lot to preempt fanboy flamewars. It makes the opinions seem human rather than churned out by a faceless blog]]>Feb 15th 2010 11:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
Ah, nice to see some consistency. I am very concerned about the vertical integration and direction of WinPho 7. I think Engadget and other blogs are overly focused on the the UI - which, let's be honest, can be replicated via skinnning on Android or WinMo 6.xx. The big reboot I think Microsoft is trying to accomplish is tying their services to their mobile OS. Something they never did successfully with their desktop OS. All the reasons to hate Apple ecosystem are present with this incarnation of Windows Mobile. I would like to see tech bloggers start digging deeper about 3rd party browser, search engines, app marketplace support. I don't want to see another Apple clone.]]>Feb 15th 2010 11:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/Feb 15th 2010 11:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/I could use multitasking when I'm listening to a game in MLB at-bat would like to return a text massage. Is that a valid reason to want multitasking?
I could think of more. ]]>Feb 15th 2010 11:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
On topic: This thing is sexy! I like many other people wanted the "Zune phone" as soon as I saw the Zune HD. I have the Pre now, was thinking of getting the Hero, but will now definitely wait for the newest WinMo7 phone to come to Sprint. Microsoft, I'm coming home!]]>Feb 15th 2010 11:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
We shall see this winter how it all goes down.]]>Feb 15th 2010 11:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/Feb 16th 2010 12:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
Wow, man. Just wow.]]>Feb 16th 2010 12:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
No need to be so rude, didn't engadget turn off posts for awhile over that?

Anyway: Yes, winmo7 supports multitasking, and also supports tab based browsing in ie.

Yes there will be an app store, all of this information is readily available. All of this is available in the 22 minute video that engadget posted today. So yes, in terms of raw specs, this OS trumps apple in spades. But we all know it takes more than being better on paper.]]>Feb 16th 2010 12:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
EMPEROR'S NEW CLOTHES!!

M$ has been forced to innovate!!

M$'s modus operandi is usually to copy and then use their monopoly powers to embrace-extend-extinguish,so I guess they deserve some credit (round of applause)

Time will tell if M$ can actually execute the WM7 promise but I can't help but think this is a classic case of the "Emperor's New Clothes".]]>Feb 16th 2010 12:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
WinMo 7 Series couldn't be any more different than anything Apple offers.

Just like Fergie, WinMo 7S is singing to the iPhone - "I'm So 3008, You're So 2000 and Late" !
]]>Feb 16th 2010 1:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/hehehehehehehehheheheheheheheheheh///.......n1 n1 n1 n1.>!!!!!!!!]]>Feb 16th 2010 2:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
LMAO. LOOOOOL

]]>Feb 16th 2010 2:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/That is pretty much exactly how I feel. I think that anyone who actually learned to use WM to its full extent will be a little nervous about this new UI, whilst people who always shied away from it because it wasn't slick and pretty enough will be all over it.

I am pretty sure that while this design will capture the imagination of the mainstream, it may be at the expense of the original users who simply wanted an interface refresh and the same functionality. ]]>Feb 16th 2010 4:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://bit.ly/windows-phone-7-before]]>Feb 16th 2010 5:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
The writing on the wall from where I sit is that smartphones are evolving into what may be the only device once carries with them - forget laptops, mids, navs, cameras - so a smartphone OS needs to do it all, and do it all well.

Maybe MS sees this too and wanted a whole new kernal to work with which could support that budding ecosystem.

Star Trek's one size fits all 'tricorder' sure didn't prepare us for this multiplicity of OS, form factor, and device sizes...]]>Feb 16th 2010 8:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/Feb 16th 2010 9:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/Feb 16th 2010 9:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
I agree with you. It seems I too am not the target audience. I don't use Facebook, Tweeter or XBOX live. I just want a customizable phone with great 3rd party apps, multitasking etc. It seems they have taken everything that I liked about the OS away and substituted it with full Facebook integration! Why cant social networking come with 3rd party apps so only people who want it can install and use it!?]]>Feb 16th 2010 10:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/Feb 15th 2010 10:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/Feb 15th 2010 10:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/Feb 15th 2010 10:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
I really love the direction MS is going in. I am happy that through increased competition with Google, Apple, and Linux (from a server stand point) MS has picked up their game recently. I hope the increased competition continues to make the best of all companies (and communities) involved.]]>Feb 15th 2010 10:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
]]>Feb 15th 2010 10:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/Feb 15th 2010 10:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
I mean, by then, we'll see at least a new iPhone, and at least (10 months / 3 months ) iterations of Android releases and flagship hardware (seeing that the flagship hardware is changing fast enough to actually make that a valid approximation).

That's a lot of other things going on before we even see the *first* 7 Series phone.]]>Feb 15th 2010 10:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
I disagree. If the first devices do, in fact, launch at the end of the year, this will not seriously harm Phones Series 7's at worst, and it may actually help it. From a retail perspective, the end of the year is the best for sales given the Black Friday to Christmas sales rush. Furthermore, if the generally good buzz continues, I assume they'll be consumer interest as the world's largest OS manufacturer is finally make a consumer friendly mobile OS that I am sure will also be business friendly, as well.

Also, it has the benefit of seeing newer iterations of competing OS's as it'll be in the position to tinker its OS accordingly.

I hope it OWNS...and has legacy support for WinMo apps. I'm really excited for Phone Series 7. ]]>Feb 15th 2010 10:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
I actually agree with some of what you said. At the end of the presentation, I honestly hoped that Microsoft was gonna do what Apple did with the price of the iPad (turned out to be $500 base price, instead of the commonly assumed $1000) and say:

"You know what? All of the competitors, analysts, and blogs are saying a release at holiday 2010. I say, 2 months from now, there will be 3 flagship phones, ready for the consumer."

That said, I think this will still be a very relevant OS even at the end of the year.]]>Feb 15th 2010 10:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
2 months would have been nice, but the lack of detail (glaring black holes) in certain areas of the presentation shows it's probably in an alpha or beta stage of development. ]]>Feb 15th 2010 10:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
I'm not sure it is considering that, a few bits and bobs aside, iPhone OS hasn't changed massively over the last year or two and Symbian is only just overhauling itself now after years.]]>Feb 16th 2010 1:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
That means that 70% of the potential customers don't own any kind of smartphone yet. LOTS of room for each of the competitors to make their play.]]>Feb 16th 2010 12:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/editorial-engadget-on-windows-phone-7-series/
Is this really true with phones? Don't most people pick up a phone when their contract runs out?

In my case, the contract runs out in June. It's going to be brutal waiting for another 5 months before we can even sniff at what a production level version of 7 will feel like.]]>Feb 16th 2010 12:49PM