http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/Which is nice.]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/Feb 15th 2010 6:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/Thus the "you can't call it skinning."

Just wanted to point out that you can customize it.]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
So Win 7 sucks in comparison to WinMo6

Stylus > touch in small screened (or any screened) devices]]>Feb 15th 2010 7:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
More than just colors, from what I've gathered it sounds like you can reorder/put whatever tiles you want on the home screen.]]>Feb 15th 2010 7:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
They have capacitive styluses and it would be up to the phone manufacture to add it just like in current WinMo phones. No one said they couldn't.]]>Feb 15th 2010 7:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/Yeah, yeah, he was moving tiles around, and they said widgets too?
I'm really interested to see HTC's take on this.

@Extinction: ... huh?
Not even going to argue, irrelevant to my comment.]]>Feb 15th 2010 7:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/There's more than one way to skin a cat, but zero ways to skin a WinMo7 phone.

BTW, does anyone know what the phone that's been shown off is called? In comparison to the software, it been all but forgotten.]]>Feb 15th 2010 8:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/I hope they allow you to change the background. I could do with a white color if not an actual image.

Either way, I'm elated that Microsoft got rid of that god-awful font in previous versions of winmo.]]>Feb 15th 2010 9:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
since windows 7 came out, i've stopped using windowblinds to skin my desktop.

winphone 7 is gonna have the same effect. ]]>Feb 15th 2010 9:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/Feb 15th 2010 11:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
That's probably the biggest differentiator for me personally.]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/Feb 15th 2010 6:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/these the days I want to know ? Like I want to see the behind the scenes things such as; settings-(wireless, bluetooth pairing). Im wondering if its going to compete with the current versions of windows mobile for business users. ]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/Feb 15th 2010 6:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
Flash won't be supported at launch, but it isn't "banned". ]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
Current winmo does flash quite well. The Opera mobile browser does a great job rendering pages with flash. The youtube app on many winmo phones is similar to the iphone version.]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
KK, not arguing cuze comments were turned off for a few days over mac flaming, but how come only people on the Apple side of an argument use some variation of Apple in their avatar, yet you very rarely some kind of pro-Windows or Microsoft avatars on the pro-MS side?

It just seems like the Apple fans are a little to eager to show that they are a Mac, while PC's don't tend to portray it anywhere aside from posts.

I dunno, just noticing this.]]>Feb 15th 2010 8:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
On a related note, Microsoft should get Flash support and rub it in their fruit-based competition's face.]]>Feb 15th 2010 9:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/Maybe there is a difference between PC/MS-loving and Mac/Apple-hating. Don't read too much into it :-)


]]>Feb 15th 2010 10:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/Feb 15th 2010 6:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
Anyone that backed WinMo 6.xx who now are now backing WinMo 7 is a hypocrite. WinMo 7 removes everything that the fanboys 'supposedly' liked about WinMo 6.xx - such as skinning, ad hoc app installs, mult-tasking, copy+paste, etc... I don't trust y'all. If the strategy is just to be anything but the iPhone - then I can't get with you.

The reality is WinMo 7 looks awesome and looks next gen compared to the iPhone or Android. However, no copy+paste, no multi-tasking, no flash, forced vertical integration with MS products (Zune, MS, Bing, Zune Radio). Everyone is able to suddenly overlook these issues. I find that hypocritical. To stay consistent, you guys should complain about these issues on whatever phone. Android is probably the true successor to WinMo 6.xx openness, while WinMo improves upon Apple's vertical formula with the social network integration.

All the android fanatics who harped about engadget being in Apple's pocket - what do you have say now? Engadget has been the following the same course, while fanboys have been tripping left and right. Engadget comment mob = emotional fanboys w/ little analysis. I'd like to think the average age of Engadget commenter's is over 14. ]]>Feb 15th 2010 7:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/Feb 15th 2010 7:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/Nah man. I don't believe for a second that winmo 7 isn't going to be just as hackable as the previous versions with cooked roms and the like.
Do you truly believe that? There're HD2s out there that dual-boot winmo and android yet an upgrade in software and the guys at XDA are now powerless? Please.

Microsoft has done the right thing with this. Those who want the dumb smartphone experience, people who would be in the market for an iphone type device for example, only in it for the UI, will love the Winmo 7 experience as is. For those of us who actually have uses for our phone above and beyond just making calls and browsing the web, this will also serve as an excellent jump-off.

I really don't recall MS saying they were closing the gates to thrid party development in the way Apple and to an extent Google did with Cyanogen and his rom.

I'm filled with excitement and anticipation at this new OS.]]>Feb 15th 2010 8:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
I think they are closing the door on official 'skinning' a la HTC Sense. They have given every indication of locking down the OS. XDA developers will always come up with a way to hack it - but OEM's wholesale reworking the UI will go away (Sense, MotoBlur, Windows SPB). This is strategic so they deeply integrate their own products: Bing, Office Live, Zune Market Place, XNA visual studio, DirectX, and Windows desktop licenses.

As a consumer, I'm very excited since the UI is carving out a new direction and is very innovative. It defintely looks more usable than the iPhone OS 3.x. However, as a mobile dev, I'm deeply concerned about another vertically closed system (Apple). I think a lot of fanboys gave lip service to open standards, but are ready to jump ship to anything that's not Apple/iPhone. ]]>Feb 15th 2010 8:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
I'm inclined to agree with you bro. This conference raised more questions. Windows Mobile has always been about personalizing your experience, everything from custom ROMs to shells and other UIs. It appears that maybe WP7 will place more limitations, and I'm not down with that. WP7 better run some kind of legacy app emulator and have kick ass XBL Arcade support, otherwise it's Android for me.]]>Feb 16th 2010 1:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/Skinning - I'll admit I love skinning and am disappointed about it's absence. However, it's not actually that important :\
Ad hoc installs: Where did you get the idea that this will be disabled? I would assume that they would keep both Ad hoc and app store like it currently is. It works really well IMO.
Multi-tasking: No one seems to know what's going on with this. Until more info is realeased I can't form an opinion.
Copy& paste: Why would you think they're taking this out??? Seriously, what are you smoking?
]]>Feb 16th 2010 3:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/Feb 15th 2010 6:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/Is there even official word on this? I know that they bashed the whole going into and out of apps in their video, but then again, maybe they meant, "look, we have hubs, so the same app metaphor doesn't even apply!"

Engadget Show should get Belfiore, go crazy!]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/There is multitasking but I believe it will be more like a suspend feature with some basic stuff always running in the background (notifications & media-namely music). If you notice the tiles are updatable automatically so theoretically one could write any app and update a tile for it. Also if its like ZuneHD, the moment you hit the main menu button it suspends games and once you perform the task allows you to resume exactly from where you left.
However, the browser is not suspended and actually just remembers where you were and reloads the last page you were on.]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/They are supposed to get more into that at MIX10 .]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/This is what makes me sad about mobile 7. I wish I could have the hardware of a mobile 7 device with WebOS's multi-tasking. (I love WebOS's Cards) I cannot seem to find something that can meet both. So for now I multi-task with a small decrement in speed. :(]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
I just can't believe that the Media hounds are letting Ballmer off the hook and not getting the skinny on this issue. It is HUGE for a lot of people... well, I thought it would be a huge issue anyway, but all the MS fans seem to have embraced WM7 regardless. It's a big issue for me, anyway. I mean, I guess a "suspend" function is OK since you can only realistically do 1 thing at a time, but it better be seamless.]]>Feb 15th 2010 7:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/I'm glad I'm not alone on this. Third party apps as well are also a major issue; I've heard that WP7 will only be able to run what's in the marketplace. These seem like enormous leaps backward.]]>Feb 16th 2010 4:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/Feb 15th 2010 6:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/Feb 15th 2010 6:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/it makes sense when you get into the hubs. ]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
It's for aesthetic purposes. It doesn't look bad at all in the tight shots, but yeah, it does look a little awkward from the image above (maybe we're just staring at it too hard?).]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
On the ZuneHD it is for another layer of buttons that when clicked on become zoom in and then the original set is set back the same way to the left. In the screen above if you press the black area it shows a list of all applications I believe. ]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/It's kind of useful for scrolling, so you can see the boxes as you scroll?
I guess?

That's the only excuse I can think of.]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
I am typing on an iPhone right now. I loved what the iPhone brought to the scene with the next evolution on touch screen interfaces.

I think the zune like interface and grouping is another great evolution. Right now I do check email, facebook, Twitter, ect on my iPhone. I like the thought that all this can be merged into one area. Maybe the os will be open enough to allow someone to develop a grouping to monitor my favorite blogs the same way.

Like the engadget app. I am using it right now. Yet it would be more awesome if it merged more with this OS. I think MS has the right idea in changing the way we access the data from the cloud. ]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
See?]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
Haha. Win.]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/Feb 15th 2010 6:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
I will be watching you in about 2 hours. See you then. ]]>Feb 15th 2010 7:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
If the author had chosen a better comparison, the comment wouldn't have a rude overtone. But for arguments sake, he could have said "you're" rather than "your mother".

Wow]]>Feb 15th 2010 7:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/Feb 15th 2010 6:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
Hubs aren't the same thing as apps. I think apps can be placed and run inside of hubs. So its like hubs are the rooms of a house and apps are the appliances and furniture.]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/
Quite right there good analogy about the operating metaphor.

I still think you won't hear them say 'app' anytime soon.

7 does look good. Well designed]]>Feb 15th 2010 6:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-faces-off-against-its-windows-mobile-past/I doubt it. Previous WinMo versions were all about Apps. My Zune HD, which WinMo7 draws from heavily, has an App folder. They aren't going anywhere.]]>Feb 15th 2010 7:19PM