http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 8:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 7:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/]]>Feb 17th 2010 7:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/
Silly KGB. Everyone knows that LG articles are about the Asian chicks, not technology.

LG sure knows how to show off a product...by putting something in the picture that makes you totally ignore it.]]>Feb 17th 2010 9:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 2:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/"Everyone knows that LG articles are about the Asian chicks..."

Love the third shot w/ her bezels off.]]>Feb 18th 2010 1:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 7:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/
By Asian standard she isn't even that pretty]]>Feb 17th 2010 10:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 4:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 7:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/And does she come with a remote control ?]]>Feb 18th 2010 12:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 18th 2010 2:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/
You are the only people who even remotely give two shits about the bezel around a screen, Engadget. Knock it off.]]>Feb 17th 2010 7:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 7:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/
only with the 60inch]]>Feb 17th 2010 8:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/LOL, same here. I am more into that Girl than the TV. Plasma what? "Dam she's cute"...LOL]]>Feb 17th 2010 9:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Wrong question dude.
You should be asking "Is the TV included" ?]]>Feb 18th 2010 12:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 7:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 7:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/
Some day, I would like to see a frameless option. Who knows, I might prefer here with her clothes on.]]>Feb 17th 2010 7:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 7:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 7:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 8:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 8:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/
That made absolutely no sense.

1/600 seconds. Not 1/4.]]>Feb 17th 2010 9:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/
600Hz plasmas have been around for a little bit, Samsung and Panasonic have them. I bought a 600Hz plasma on sale in November.]]>Feb 17th 2010 9:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/
I don't think it's the screen "refresh" like in LCDs, I always see it as subfield drive or something like that. They're similar looking numbers meant to confuse the average consumer.]]>Feb 17th 2010 12:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Phosphor, not phosphorus. Not even remotely the same. Phosphorus has nothing to do with plasma, CRT, fluorescent, or any other phosphor-based light source. The names draw from the same ancient Greek word ("morning star"), but the two are completely unrelated.

Phosphors involve illumination by excited noble gas and transition metals. Phosphorus is a nonmetal, non-noble gas chemical element.

Also, 600Hz is not the refresh rate of the display, but the maximum number of illumination pulses per second. It's just meant to put a stop to the "oh you're stuck on 60Hz? My LCD can do 240!" nonsense that idiot salesmen and gullible customers use in specs wars (not realizing their apples-to-oranges mistake).

There is no phosphorus involved in plasma panels, nor is the picture generated by UV light.]]>Feb 17th 2010 5:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Sorry to reply to myself--but my statement "There is no phosphorus involved in plasma panels" needs clarification.

There are undoubtedly phosphorus compounds contained within the television (in adhesives, glare coatings, glazings, etc.), but they are not the illumination source, is what I should have said.]]>Feb 17th 2010 5:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Thanks. Phosphorus and phosphors have no connection except for their etymology. Phosphorus glows by chemical reaction (oxidation), it's phosphors, complex combinations of other elements that fluoresce when stimulated.
However, you're mistaken, it seems, when you say there is no phosphor in a gas plasma TV or monitor. Phosphors are the luminescent component of that technology just as they were in CRT's. And, like in CRT's, the phosphors illuminate under stimulation of ultraviolet light. ]]>Feb 17th 2010 5:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/I only pick on the refresh rate because of its significance to the nascent "3D" technology, that which alternates left-eye and right-eye images to synchronized-shutter-glasses-wearing consumers. If the image doesn't clear and change completely between frames, then won't the 3D effect be lost or worse? Phosphor-based imaging is awful, regardless. The picture starts degrading from the moment it's turned on or, if it's exposed to sunlight, then it degrades whether or not it's ever turned on.]]>Feb 17th 2010 6:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/"However, you're mistaken, it seems, when you say there is no phosphor in a gas plasma TV or monitor"
Again, no phosphorUS. Phosphors do not contain phosphorus. They contain a mix of transition metals and are illuminated by excitation of a noble gas with an electric current.
"And, like in CRT's, the phosphors illuminate under stimulation of ultraviolet light."
No, the illumination source is electron transfer into the argon gas mix within the plasma cell (actually much more like a neon sign than a CRT). COLOR is indeed produced by absorption of UV frequencies and release of visible frequencies in the phosphors, but the image is generated by running an electric current through a grid of argon-mix gas-filled cells. You're right, however, that I was over-generalized in that statement, but I can't think of a way to make that distinction in a brief comment.

A CRT produces visible light by UV stimulation of chemical phosphors--its electron gun does not emit visible light in any meaningful way. A plasma television *does* produce visible light without a UV light source; the phosphor coatings react to the visible and UV light emitted by the argon gas mix only for applying the color filters to the image, not for image generation itself.

The simplest analogy is the neon light. Direct stimulation by an electrical current creates visible light. Adding various phosphor blends allows you to change the color (many of which are UV-sensitive), but doesn't make the *illumination* a result of UV stimulation.]]>Feb 17th 2010 6:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Wish you'd update/correct/expand on Wikipedia's gas plasma entry, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_display.) How are individual pixels addressed--surely the display isn't a grid of gas-filled capsules, 1920 wide by 1080 high. ]]>Feb 17th 2010 6:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/The Wikipedia entry does need quite a bit of work, but gathering appropriate references and citations (the article currently lacks them in spades) will take time.

"How are individual pixels addressed--surely the display isn't a grid of gas-filled capsules, 1920 wide by 1080 high."

In fact it's a grid of about 6.22 million individual cells on a Full HD plasma (1920x1080x3). Each pixel consists of three individual plasma cells (R, G, B), each coated with a complex phosphor blend that reacts to the plasma. The plasma itself is a soup of electrons, giving off visible and UV light as well as conducting direct electrical stimulation of the phosphors.

If you were to remove the phosphor coatings from all the cells, you'd still be able to watch TV--just in a dimmer, bluish monochrome. If you could magically erase the UV emissions entirely, there would still be the visible light and the electron transfer to excite the phosphors, so you'd get some messed up color added in. The UV reactions mainly enhance brightness (the absorption process brings some of the UV light down in wavelength to the visible spectrum, adding to that generated by the plasma gas itself).

In contrast, as you correctly stated about CRTs, the electron gun produces UV photons, and the phosphors themselves are the sole source of visible light and CRTs just wouldn't work at all without UV stimulation.

The phosphor and neon sign articles on Wikipedia actually contain more complete information than the plasma TV one.]]>Feb 18th 2010 6:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 8:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 11:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 8:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/
Ahhhh, the girl is Korean.

I don't like the hair. Oh, wait. Is this article supposed to be about another flat panel display?
]]>Feb 17th 2010 10:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/I'm not the only one! I stopped and looked twice to make sure she wasn't a mannequin. I'm still not sure...

It was the possible mannequin theory that made me look twice. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!]]>Feb 17th 2010 11:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/That's what I thought!]]>Feb 17th 2010 3:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/
$1,150 for the 50"
$3,325 for the 60"

that seems awfully cheap for a new 50" plasma...]]>Feb 17th 2010 9:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/I agree, that seems pretty cheap for 50"

what's the girl doing in the picture though, plasma radiation bath?]]>Feb 17th 2010 9:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 9:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 9:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 9:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 9:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/Feb 17th 2010 9:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/
Yeah, I want to see the next pic in the series!]]>Feb 17th 2010 10:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/lg-launches-skinny-frame-plasma-hdtvs-hates-on-bezels/It was actually a super fast strip show, @ 600hz. By the time the photographer had taken the 3rd shot, she was dressed again! :-(]]>Feb 17th 2010 11:10AM