http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/ Engadget Comments for Opera Mini on iPhone is fast, but why? http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/Feb 17th 2010 8:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/Feb 17th 2010 8:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/

THe article said 5x ??? that means.. all other browsers on any phone in this observable universe are worse. Meaning that there is still a reson to buy an iPhone over nexus or droid or pre or nokia's phones..]]>Feb 17th 2010 9:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
"Opera Mini on iPhone is fast, but why?
By Thomas Ricker posted Feb 17th 2010 8:01AM"

"rhezaganteng Posted Feb 17th 2010 8:02AM"

He couldn't have read the entire article in 1 minute, right guys?]]>Feb 17th 2010 9:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
Maybe he was using Opera Mini? :)]]>Feb 17th 2010 9:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
What?

You Opera Mini browser is already avaliable for other mobile platforms. So no, you wouldn't need to get an iPhone to use that. Is there some confusion about the writer saying that the Opera browser was 5x faster than the iPhone stock browser?]]>Feb 17th 2010 9:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
I am sorry but did you know Opera Mini and Opera mobile are available in almost every single mobile aside from the iPhone? You are contradicting yourself..]]>Feb 17th 2010 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/Feb 17th 2010 12:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/"While the iPhone only makes up a sliver of the global smartphone device market share, its Safari browser accounts for well over half of all mobile web browser traffic by many estimates. (http://mobile.engadget.com/2009/03/28/mobile-web-traffic-reports-show-symbian-os-x-on-top/)"

I think that's a weird thing to have done. It's also odd to foot note something that once again contradicts your assertion but then to follow it up with 'by many estimates'. Is it by 'many estimates' or is it according to http://mobile.engadget.com/2009/03/28/mobile-web-traffic-reports-show-symbian-os-x-on-top/ (which it isn't)

It's very similar to fox's 'some people say'...but with a foot note, but it doesn't back up your statement...but...it's just an odd thing to have done. That's all I'm saying.
Best]]>Feb 17th 2010 4:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
Fanboys trolls are trolls....and random.]]>Feb 17th 2010 4:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/Actually Safari is far from the fastest. Even the browser on the Zune is faster than mobile Safari.

This version of Opera Mini is not optimized just for the iPhone. Opera Mini is fast because Opera's servers do all the hard work. Opera Mini is fast on all phones. I know living in the walled garden that is the App Store makes you oblivious to what's actually out there, but there are many many great things that will never get in because of the control that Apple has. This alone should make you loathe the closed ecosystem.]]>Feb 17th 2010 4:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/Feb 17th 2010 4:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/Maybe what he meant was , "While the iPhone OS only makes up a sliver of the global smartphone device market share."
Also, in the link, they talk about the three top smartphones in the US not on a global scale. Same for the web traffic, it's only for US, but it does says 50% so it might be over 50% in the world.]]>Feb 17th 2010 4:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/Thanks.
K]]>Feb 17th 2010 5:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
Wrong on all counts. You fail at reading:

"Web pages are processed by Opera's servers before sending just the results to the iPhone. "

That is not the same thing as doing all the work on the phone, which is what Mobile Safari and every other browser does. You understand that the Opera Mini browser isn't doing ANY rendering, right?

Mobile Safari is the fastest mobile browser out there to date. Opera Mini isn't a web browser, it's just a viewport for a web browser that's hosted on Opera's servers.]]>Feb 17th 2010 9:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
You "everything-but-Apple-Fanboys" need to get your head on straight about whos browser is the best mobile experience. http://www.gsmarena.com/browser_shootout-review-448.php

they did a very competitive comparison and although lacking in features the Safari mobile browser loads sites the fastest]]>Feb 18th 2010 10:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
Consider yourself corrected...

My old 400MHz HTC Vogue on CDMA regularly beats my friends iPhone 3GS on render speed, with Opera Mobile 10 on WinMo, making use of the same "turbo mode" that Opera Mini for iPhone uses (Opera servers handling the rendering). Under WinMo, it's an option that can be disabled by the user.

So that functionality DOES exist for other devices. The other thing is that, other than screen resolution, the interface on the two devices looks identical, and the way it handles tabs is fantastic.

In the end, I think there'd be a LOT of happy iPhone users if they could install Opera on their devices, and I hope you all get the chance to use it.]]>Mar 23rd 2010 9:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/I dunno if you've seen it but there's a browser called PerfectBrowser.. it's got more functions without losing any :)]]>Mar 28th 2010 1:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/Apr 13th 2010 7:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/Feb 17th 2010 8:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/yep. lawsuits were flying when IE was shipped with windows. but nothing is said when Safari is the one and only on apple.]]>Feb 17th 2010 9:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/Feb 17th 2010 9:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
When Microsoft forces something through Windows, the vast majority of the computer using population are affected. When Apple forces something on its users, a couple latte's are spilled in surprised anger and that's about it.

Does anyone really think that Apple could get away with half the shit they pull if they held 98% market share globably?]]>Feb 17th 2010 9:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
Most of the users still on IE6 aren't there by choice. Most are on locked down PCs at work.]]>Feb 17th 2010 9:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
I highly doubt that the majority of the Apple users know what is firefox or opera web browsers! If we had a measurement for geekness it would go like this: Linux users = very geeky > Windows users= moderate geeky > Apple users= They know where the power button is.
This is from what i have understood not from the users (which sometimes their comments make me doubt their knowledge about tech) but from all the commercials that Apple made.]]>Feb 17th 2010 9:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/So what happens when Opera goes to AT&T and says this will save your networks?]]>Feb 17th 2010 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
But, I must say that saying windows users are more geeky than apple users is more than likely false. If you look at the numbers, a majority of the people have windows. There is a large amount of people who don't know anything about a computer, and choose to get a cheap e-machine or something along that line to work with. They wouldn't go out and purchase a 2 thousand dollar computer. Also, a majority of the graphic design work is done on Apple, which is more than can be said about Windows. ]]>Feb 17th 2010 10:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/iPhone is more of an appliance like device with the hardware and software being built by Apple including the app store (save the apps). This must be the card they are ready to play when/if a lawsuit arrises.

It certainly sucks when a competitive app is rejected...]]>Feb 17th 2010 10:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/Not the mention their sneaky way of slipping Safari and MobileMe on to PCs through Apple Software Update.]]>Feb 17th 2010 11:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
What lawsuits? No one sued MS. Someone reported MS to the authorities for violating the law, but that's a different thing.]]>Feb 17th 2010 12:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
I really hate the fact that every Apple-favored comment is about graphic design or video editing.

Have you ever in your life used Windows for such tasks? It's more possible than on any other machine, because people other than Apple and Adobe actually write software for Windows.]]>Feb 17th 2010 2:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
And despite being tired of hearing it, that is the way of the world. It is the same as saying that we have to pay taxes. We might not like the amount we pay, but it is still there. Most graphic design firms will use Apple. Most schools that teach graphic design use Apple (my whole college actually uses iMacs now). It has been like that for a while, and it will be until Windows breaks away from the stigma of being a 2nd rate graphic creating computer.]]>Feb 17th 2010 3:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/"Also, a majority of the graphic design work is done on Apple, which is more than can be said about Windows."

Sadly enough i work for a computer rapair company and I get to see many people that are into freelance photography and art design. Most are using Windows. Im glad you have some real world experience to backup your statement. ]]>Feb 17th 2010 3:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
what on earth are you running? Win 3.1 on a pentium 1?

For years now, Windows machines can fly through graphics programs with ease. The PC I am writing this on is 3 years old and hasn't been turned off in over a month. I Photoshop, flash, DTP etc etc... and on top of that, it runs my MMORPGs at max settings at least 8 hours per day. There is nothing that I can throw at photoshop & my dtp suites that can tax my machine like the modern MMORPGs can. It does not need turning off except for a software update.]]>Feb 17th 2010 4:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/Yeah and because it runs "smoother" every 2 years apple will send a "firmware update" to help you buy their newest version on Mac Hardware. You fanboys are sometimes pathetic. How dare you say Mac runs smoother than Windows? if when you mean smoother you talk about the blurry anti-aliasing look that OSX has then I agree with you. Windows with BSOD and Mac with Panic "attacks." have you played flash based games on mac? have you used a video background? have you played any need for speed without it crashing it? when you do all that with outstanding results (like windows) then you comment.]]>Feb 17th 2010 4:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
I'm a Mac user.

I have a Master's degree in Nanotechnology from one of the Top 3 Universities in the world. There are quite a lot of Macs in the department; I even spotted a G4 Cube the other day.

You are very wrong.]]>Feb 17th 2010 5:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/Oh man, A 17 year old with Master's degree in Nanotechnology.
It was almost believable before I remembered you were iKurt.]]>Feb 17th 2010 5:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
Conversely, there's a large number of Windows users who actually build their own computers. Even if this is 5% of the Windows market, this is still about the same real number as Apple users in total, so instead of creating a false dichotomy, can we just say that there are geeks in both the Windows AND Apple crowds?

Anecdotal evidence is just that.]]>Mar 23rd 2010 10:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
Dude don't you have to save the world in like 3 hours? (P.S. you didn't hear it from me but Dana Walsh is working for the Russians)]]>Mar 24th 2010 7:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
Hahahahahahaha, don't you love fanboys?

Yes, your iMac can is better than Cray XT5 and your PC can cure cancer; just stop making yourselves look ridiculous.]]>Apr 15th 2010 12:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
However, I'd want to make absolute sure that a 3rd party browser doesn't open any security holes in my iPhone, which now handles every bit of private data that my computer does.

That's the one good thing about Apple's closed, tightly held development environment (in my opinion) it's much easier to ensure security.]]>Feb 17th 2010 8:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
I thought the handling of private data is the job of the carrier, do different phones on the same network have different levels of security?
In the case of private data and Opera though, the data is processed and rendered on their servers, so that does make your private data exist in one extra place than it would usually.]]>Feb 17th 2010 8:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
In order for OperaMini to display, say Gmail, to you, they must see gmail as you would on a computer.

Think of it as OperaMini being a real computer that sends a screen-shot to your computer. It's obviously more sophisticated than that as there's interaction and the such. However the same idea holds true for your data. In order to send your (for example) password to gmail, it has to be read by their servers and sent onward.

For non-private stuff it's a great solution. For private data, it's a hole. This isn't to say anything of Opera as a company, just that they have access.

As for handset security, I'm thinking of things like my IMAP email password and server settings that are stored on the device. This is independent of the carrier (which is another potential vulnerability).

If a 3rd part browser does something that let's a malicious script access data on my device, it's a problem. I'm sure it's under that guise that Apple won't allow it in. However, I wish Apple would just test the hell out of it and explain that if a vulnerability is found, they'll flip a kill bit.]]>Feb 17th 2010 8:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/A closed system does not necessarily ensure security. It does make it easier to -manage- security problems. But there are plenty of 3rd party programs on open systems which are just as if not more secure than their closed counterparts (just look at default vs 3rd party browsers on Windows).

On the other hand, a closed system does help ensure -trust-, eg: "I trust my security with Apple more than I do a 3rd party developer"; but trust alone doesn't necessarily correspond to greater security.]]>Feb 17th 2010 8:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
You're completely correct. In my case, my line of thought is more like "I'd rather just trust Apple and have to trust all the devs. Simple, non-malicious mistakes can lead to huge security problems.

It's the same part of my that wishes everything was locked down or open source (that of course assume enough eyes look over something thats open sourced).]]>Feb 17th 2010 9:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
You, too are correct. But, assuming (and this is an assumption) Safari is secure, forcing other apps to use it's engine forces that part of them to be secure.

If OperaMini where properly sand-boxed- which it would have to be to be a legit App store app- that would assure that non-OperaMini data on the iPhone would be safe.]]>Feb 17th 2010 9:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/Feb 17th 2010 12:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/
It has nothing to do with the fact that it's Apple. If Android was closed and all Android apps where sanboxed and given a limited set of APIs to use, the same would still apply.

In a closed, tightly controlled system there is the potential for greater security. In **my particular opinion** I trust Apple with that security.]]>Feb 17th 2010 1:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/Feb 17th 2010 3:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/17/opera-mini-on-iphone-is-fast-but-why/Feb 17th 2010 8:09AM