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The form factor, the fact that it sticks out 10x as much as the TV. AV product designers have to start making these cabinets fit the form factor of the TV's they are used with. That doesn't assume using lesser quality components.

If I wall mount my TV (which is a very popular option these days) shouldn't my AV also mount to the wall? I'd like to see a decent receiver be tall wide and shallow rather than short wide and deep]]>Feb 18th 2010 2:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
Just mount your A/V equipment where you want (out of sight, maybe, and buy an RF remote system.
]]>Feb 18th 2010 3:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
Chessus is correct that making the AV receivers smaller will diminish the audio quality because they would be using smaller components. But keep in mind that this is consumer grade--Audiophiles would be pretty pissed if the audiophile grade equipment was minaturized. The electronic companies that make these did not design them to have their look streamlined with big bulky TVs. Unlike many other electronics, the heavier an audio receiver is, the higher quality of the components inside. This is the reason why these things are huge and like tanks.

On the other hand, I'm assuming that this Sony receiver is entry level, so its THD rating will be just as lousy as what this is replacing--therefore, they probably could minaturize these since I don't see how the mass consumer market would really care. But then again, Sony doesn't want to have their products despised as much as Bose's are in the audio world.]]>Feb 18th 2010 3:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/Just get creative with your install. An AV rack can easily be hidden in the closet or anywhere else in the home
You want to wall mount an AVR? When does it stop-- do you want to wall mount your Bluray, HTPC, Surge strip, DVR, game system,etc. Kind of takes away from that "slick looking" setup. ]]>Feb 18th 2010 3:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
If I went through the trouble of making an HTPC I wouldn't have the Bluray player or a DVR. Just sayin.

As for moving the AV stuff to a remote location, that's what I mean by pain in the ass. I guess I'm still looking for that convergence product.]]>Feb 18th 2010 3:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/what do you expect them to change? when it comes down to it these things just deal with simple electricity (for the most part), a lot of these electrical components work just fine the way they are.

plus have you ever felt one of these things when its been on? my kenwood box will take your fingerprints off if i have been using it for a couple hours, think about the puddle of metal you would have if it was any smaller.]]>Feb 18th 2010 4:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
Seriously?@! Where did I ever mention smaller? Why do people keep replying about size? Am I not asking this question with enough clarity? I'm simply asking why the shelf-mount over something that CAN be mounted on a wall or more counter-top style. Think XBox360 vs old XBox.]]>Feb 18th 2010 4:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
Ok, so you weren't talking about size...even though you did mention that they were '2ft deep' in your original post.... Regardless, these things are still heavy as hell--who is going to ever wall mount something that weighs 35lbs and generates so much heat?

To be honest I'm not really sure how the original xbox and 360 are drastically different. Sure the 360 can stand on its side, but I've never seen one that is wall mountable. I've never really found the 360 to be super attractive either, but thats just my opinion. So I'm really confused as to what your point is.

Make it sexier? I guess they could, but it would probably still have to be the same size and would be too heavy to mount them in an alternative manner. Besides, I think making a receiver sexier is probably as important to the manufacturer as making a DSLR sexier looking--the function to them is way more important than the form in this case.]]>Feb 18th 2010 5:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
Look at the depth of a receiver such as this. Now lets imagine you want it to be about as thin as your TV, lets say your TV is one of the fatter LCDs, 10cm or so. Right my Onkyo TX-SR606 measures roughly 44cm in depth and 18cm in height , so assuming you want the same system, same quality of components in a 10cm deep box (assuming you don't want to go any wider, and trust me you wouldn't) you'd end up with a 79.2cm long slab. That's the best part of a metre, not very cool if you don't want to put it on the wall! Also with all the components up against the bricks, given how hot these things get, it would likely over heat.]]>Feb 18th 2010 5:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/@Rickjames

Forget it. No seems to be seeing what I'm trying to say here.]]>Feb 18th 2010 5:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
"The form factor, the fact that it sticks out 10x as much as the TV. AV product designers have to start making these cabinets fit the form factor of the TV's they are used with. That doesn't assume using lesser quality components.

If I wall mount my TV (which is a very popular option these days) shouldn't my AV also mount to the wall? I'd like to see a decent receiver be tall wide and shallow rather than short wide and deep"

Seems to be exactly what you are suggesting?]]>Feb 18th 2010 5:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
"If I wall mount my TV (which is a very popular option these days) shouldn't my AV also mount to the wall? I'd like to see a decent receiver be tall wide and shallow rather than short wide and deep"

I think our points are that the internals of such a device make it so that something 'sleek' would be impossible--not to mention such engineering would negatively influence the sound. Besides, as I said earlier, these devices aren't meant to be looked at--hopefully people are spending most of their time looking at their TVs.

I get what you are saying, but as I already said this device's main purpose is its function, not how it looks. Therefore thats why I said it's like a DSLR--Nikon and Canon probably will never push and mass market a radical design just to make something that in its current shape is already extremely functional.]]>Feb 18th 2010 6:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/I get what youre saying, but to make that happen you would have to design a receiver that caters to a small audience. most people already have a TV stand below their wall mounted TV, which has DVDs, DVD player, Cable box, Xbox, etc... so adding a receiver isnt a big deal.

If EVERYTHING was wallmounted, well it would look stupid. so what will you do with the other components you need (by YOU i mean average joe)? If you say hide them from sight, then you can go ahead and hide the receiver from sight as well.

My point is that you dont need a wall mounted AVR yet, because the other form factors of AV gear havent pushed for it to comply. Out of DVRs, DVD/BD players, game consoles... receivers are the least common. when the others play the game, you can be sure receivers will follow suit, but them get ready for some ugly walls.]]>Feb 18th 2010 9:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/Feb 18th 2010 2:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
I'm not clear on why it needs a new sound system though. Does 3D mess with the HDMI data stream?]]>Feb 18th 2010 2:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
Guess how recessions end? Spending lots of money on stuff. It's hard, and you shouldn't buy this if you can't afford it, but the constant march of new stuff is a good thing. Just know that after 3D there will be another must-have thing you don't actually need. It's amazing to me that people are obviously dripping with desire to have 3D while expressing anger that they are expected to pay for it.

Trust me, if you don't get it you will still enjoy your movies and games. Probably at lower cost. Sony et al benefit from a stratified market. Cheap LCD 2D TVs and Expensive something betters. If there is no something better they will invent something better.]]>Feb 18th 2010 3:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/I'm most interested because I'm actually planning on buying a DN-1000 so with any luck this release should push the price down.]]>Feb 18th 2010 8:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/Feb 18th 2010 8:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/Feb 18th 2010 8:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/Feb 18th 2010 2:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
I have an HK AVR635 receiver that would blow your mind at how loud and clean it sounds...even during big explosion scenes. Yet the rated wattage is only 75 watts per channel. This receiver is built like a tank and weighs 41 pounds!! It can drive lots of current to the speakers with lots of reserve. Any cheaper receiver may get loud, but will sound thin by comparison.]]>Feb 18th 2010 3:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
I hear ya. I have a Yamaha RX-V2400 myself. Practically need a forklift to move it.]]>Feb 18th 2010 4:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/Feb 18th 2010 2:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/Feb 18th 2010 2:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
640K is enough for anyone!]]>Feb 18th 2010 3:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
I want 3D. I bet millions of people buy into it. You don't want it, and you might even hate Sony, since they are one of those apple, MS companies some people love to hate. So you have a problem with a product being offered to the world. No one cares that you can't afford a new TV.]]>Feb 18th 2010 3:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/Feb 18th 2010 3:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/Feb 18th 2010 3:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
.....this is bull shizzle, ya digg -___-]]>Feb 18th 2010 3:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
If you bought this one, a better option would pop up within a week.

that's why you should never get the latest greatest version... you can't. I get the newly obsolete version.]]>Feb 18th 2010 4:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
but i dropped 500 for it! and this one... as pointless as i think 3D is....is 100 bucks less! THAT... is bull, dood]]>Feb 18th 2010 4:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/Feb 18th 2010 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/well send it back]]>Feb 18th 2010 9:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/Feb 18th 2010 3:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
Sony's ES line stuff is great. Too bad their cheaper consumer stuff isn't so great...]]>Feb 18th 2010 3:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
THey have anounced their low end br players though.]]>Feb 18th 2010 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/Feb 18th 2010 3:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/Feb 18th 2010 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/Feb 18th 2010 4:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
Reminds me of a company that came out with a new release of its software in 1999 that it said was Y2K compatible. Turns out that the software had no year dependencies in it at all, and that all previous versions were in fact "Y2K compatible." But people bought the newer version anyway, because they didn't know any better.
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So basically I could not increase the volume on my TV and have the receiver do the same. Onkyo, Denon, etc all support

On/off (this worked)
Volume
Input

This is the minimum. I HOPE with audio return "Bravia Sync" will support the HDMI-CEC standard.

With this there is little reason you need to "hit' the reciever with the IR - just the TV for volume and changing so the receiver can be "hidden" in a cabinet adn not need a IR externder or any crapola.

THat being said it ran REALLY cool vs. my Onkyo 606b (I will be on my 3rd one since my HDMI keeps frying like everyone elses)

sjc]]>Feb 18th 2010 4:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/Feb 18th 2010 4:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/Feb 18th 2010 6:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
I don't think you are going to get what you want. The glasses make it possible for many people to see 3D. Lack of glasses would mean the video would have to be made for sitting in a specific place. I just don't see it happening in the near future.]]>Feb 19th 2010 3:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/Feb 19th 2010 10:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/Feb 19th 2010 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
I do wish we could get it a little smaller. I would take a small hit in sound quality for a smaller receiver. ]]>Feb 19th 2010 3:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/18/sony-intros-3d-capable-str-dn1010-a-v-receiver/
As an installer I'm glad no manufacturers have ever thought about that, and I hope they never will. Connecting it then mounting it is something I will never support. ]]>Feb 21st 2010 12:44PM