http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/ Engadget Comments for LG not interested in proprietary smartphone OS, likes Android and Windows Phone 7 http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 19th 2010 4:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
i wouldn't count symbian nor maemo out of it either]]>Feb 19th 2010 4:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
They are also interested in MeeGo OS.]]>Feb 19th 2010 4:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/It'll be Android, WP7S, and symbian simply because of volume. Apple even though is pumping out millions but will never surpass symbian's sheer volume]]>Feb 19th 2010 5:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
Generally, there will always be a handful of important mobile OS's - we'll never reach a state where one company practically controls the whole market like with computers...]]>Feb 19th 2010 5:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/You're still relying on stats from years ago. In North America, iPhone has already left Symbian in the dust (Symbian used to have about 30% marketshare in NA and is now in the single digits) in just 3 years. Last year alone, Symbian lost more than 5% global marketshare, and there's no reason to see that trend reverse. With Android gaining steam and Windows Phone 7 on the horizon, Symbian will be all but gone in 5 years.]]>Feb 19th 2010 6:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
Symbian is HUGE in China & India and still number one by far in Europe. Even if the NA market continues to ignore them, it won't go anywhere...]]>Feb 19th 2010 6:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/

"Symbian lost more than 5% global marketshare, and there's no reason to see that trend reverse."

Symbian grew its world wide market share last quarter, one can interpret that as that the trend has at least levelled out.
]]>Feb 19th 2010 6:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
5 years is a lot of time... And open will ultimatly win. Just look at the growth of Android. Expect the same from MeeGo...

Maybe Meego, Symbian and Android will be big in 5 years.]]>Feb 19th 2010 7:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/"and there's no reason to see that trend reverse"

Apart from the new version of Symbian due this year.

Android will rule the roost (it'll run stuff from phones to set top boxes to microwaves) Symbian will be second, with iPhone and blackberry duking it out for 3rd place. WinPho7 won't be a loser but I still see it as a premium phone that won't sell in huge numbers.]]>Feb 19th 2010 7:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
"open will ultimately win."

Like Linux has destroyed Windows? Ultimately, OS's are hideously complex pieces of software and the people with the best software engineers and the most money will win.]]>Feb 19th 2010 8:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
Whatever the story is.. the mobile phone in the picture is interesting. ]]>Feb 19th 2010 8:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/First of all, this has nothing to do with iPhone, I just brought up that example because iPhone has made the largest inroads in the past few years. However, we now have Android and Windows Phone 7 to consider. Nokia is now the only manufacturer making Symbian handsets, and you're trying to tell me that every other manufacturer combined can't outsell them? Please, you're delusional. The ONLY reason that Symbian is so dominant is because they were the only game in town for years. Then, Windows Mobile came and already took large marketshare from them, which shows how vulnerable they really were.

Symbian is now at 50% worldwide marketshare, and they lost 5% last year. If other OS'es don't pick up steam (which they WILL), that already means that Symbian will be at 25% in 5 years, down from something like 75% just 3 years ago. That's the best-case scenario for Symbian. The reality is, their marketshare will slip much faster than that with such compelling options on the market right now. Let me ask you one thing - of all the exciting handsets set to come out this year, how many of them run Symbian? And this completely ignores the fact that most Symbian handsets can only barely be called "smartphones".

Let me close by reminding you of other famous last words:
"Netscape has 90% marketshare, no way Internet Explorer can take over"
"Palm dominates the PDA market, no way Windows Mobile can knock them off the throne."
]]>Feb 19th 2010 9:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
The history of Microsoft in desktop and its dominance has a very different parallel. Has to do with Office and OEM partnetships and so on... Just look at OS X and Linux and the advantages it has over Windows.

I am not taking the merit of Microsoft at all... But I still hold that MeeGo and Android will win. I didnt say destroy and make Steve Balmer sell sandwhiches.. There are different definitions of win. Like google won the search market.]]>Feb 19th 2010 9:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/-Nokia is not the only company releasing devices with Symbian: http://www.symbian.org/devices

-Last year Nokia lost market share and went to 35% then this year regained market share to 40%

-Windows Mobile didnt just come. They were around for a long time and never made a dent in Symbian share. At least not outside of US and A. Truth be told I met 3 people with WinMo in Europe and countless Symbian (and now some are coming with Android).

I think you are taking the perspective of the US and A market share too much. Dunno if cos you are brain washed by the media there trying at all costs to keep your companies alive but let me tell you one thing. Symbian wont die any time soon. ]]>Feb 19th 2010 9:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
Someone missed the part where they gained 4% of that marketshare back in one quarter.]]>Feb 19th 2010 9:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 19th 2010 11:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 19th 2010 12:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
It won't be three...it willl be at least 5, and there is PLENTY of room in the market for it.

You have the first three, then its RIM and Symbian (Meego). Qualcomm's recent announcement that a Snapdragon Symbian phone is on the way is telling. I WANT to believe in WebOS, if only cuz it's fun to root for little Palm...but in the end they will be pushed out or bought.]]>Feb 19th 2010 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 19th 2010 3:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 20th 2010 11:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/4% of the people, but 20% of the global market.]]>Feb 20th 2010 3:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
oh and while i agree the os base will (and should) probably desolate, 3 seems like an awfully small number]]>Feb 19th 2010 4:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 19th 2010 7:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
umm... no]]>Feb 19th 2010 8:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 19th 2010 9:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
PS: no spydroid for me.]]>Feb 19th 2010 4:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 19th 2010 4:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
They're not, What's being said....is LG will NOT be making an OS for their phones (proprietary software), they will instead be using software made by a software company.]]>Feb 19th 2010 4:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/I understand that after I saw the S. That S does change the sentence quite a bit.]]>Feb 19th 2010 5:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 19th 2010 4:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
Android and Symbian are destined to capture the most of the market, obviously - they're free, they can run on fairly simple hardware and they've got some serious industry support.]]>Feb 19th 2010 5:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
Are you the same NewL that's on SMD?]]>Feb 19th 2010 10:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 19th 2010 4:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 19th 2010 5:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
@ least WP7S is licensable if manufacturers have devices meeting specification...]]>Feb 19th 2010 5:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 19th 2010 5:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 19th 2010 5:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
"The term "proprietary software" is often used to mean computer software which is neither free nor open source (as these terms are variously defined, especially by FOSS advocates such as the Free Software Foundation and the Open Source Initiative). Terminology for forms of software licensing is not fully standardized and can be controversial. A literal meaning of "proprietary" in relation to software is that it has a copyright owner who can exercise control over what users can do with the software, in contrast to public domain"

So really only Symbian and Android are not proprietary software, someone needs to work on their translation.]]>Feb 19th 2010 7:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
Actually after reading the original article as usual the english mistranslation was all done by Engadget, you would think people paid to write stuff would now how to speak the language.
Windows Phone 7 series IS proprietary software, but LG will not be developing THEIR OWN PROPRIETARY software like Samsung.]]>Feb 19th 2010 7:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 19th 2010 5:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 19th 2010 5:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 19th 2010 6:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 19th 2010 5:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
lollers.]]>Feb 19th 2010 5:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 19th 2010 5:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
LG should focus on providing a better product and keep out of spats with their more succesful Korean rival (As far as mobile phones gol.]]>Feb 19th 2010 5:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/Feb 19th 2010 6:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/
I don't understand how Nokia can commit to 2 OSes. I get that Maemo must be too heavy for low-end phones, but shouldn't they focus on a Maemo Lite, instead of splitting their efforts and their developer community ?]]>Feb 19th 2010 7:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/lg-not-interested-in-proprietary-smartphone-os-likes-android-an/"I don't understand how Nokia can commit to 2 OSes."

Easy. Have over 14 decades if business experience and savvy, spend the most money on mobile R&D in the world, make stacks of money selling as many or more phones than the next three competitors combined, use cash to buy the companies supplying the backbone of the future services of the next era of mobile computing and connectivity along with a gaggle of patent lawyers to protect and monetize all of their research and intellectual property, and build one of the 5 most recognized brands in the history of the world.

Next question...

"I get that Maemo must be too heavy for low-end phones, but shouldn't they focus on a Maemo Lite, instead of splitting their efforts and their developer community ?"

Maemo isn't too heavy for low end phones. Nokia has merely chosen a higher specced minimum hardware requirement to match the typical functions the targeted users will require. Maemo/MeeGo is a desktop class computing OS, much like Windows or OSX, not a smartphone OS like Symbian or Android. Most people that would prefer a pocketable computing device will want a faster, high grade processor and copious amounts of RAM to do the functions usually reserved for a desktop. Phone features can be added, but aren't the focus of the OS. People using sub 600 MHz procs and small screens probably have no intent on using high level computing tasks, and are surely aware those tasks will take much more hardware, crunching power, and infrastructure than a smartphone OS and hardware.

Symbian IS basically Maemo/MeeGo Lite. They both share the Qt application and UI toolkits, having complete compatibility for all Qt based third party software. MeeGo also supports Python and Ruby, which are also supported by Symbian. In fact, the only difference between the two is Symbian doesn't have the Gecko Engine powered Mozilla browser with full Flash, and doesn't support the GTK+ application toolkit, but its not Linux, which MeeGo is, so why would it? And most MeeGo and Symbian devs will prefer Qt anyway.

So this doesn't split, but unites their developer community, as well as draws on the massive global Linux developer community, where they are already familiar with Qt, and will be able to deploy apps on desktop and mobile OSes with one common tool.]]>Feb 19th 2010 2:45PM