http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/ Engadget Comments for Gartner: Apple, Android, and RIM winners in 2009 smartphone growth, Nokia and Symbian still dominate http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Feb 23rd 2010 5:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Feb 23rd 2010 5:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/
Nokia still smashes the competition but they will slide if they don't release some competitive handsets by the end of the year. ]]>Feb 23rd 2010 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Not if I read the article correctly:
"Windows Mobile (down to 3.1%) and Symbian (down to 5.5%)"

It looks like Symbian has gone from being half the market to having 5% of it.

Well, either that or Engadget doesn't know what the word "to" means.]]>Feb 23rd 2010 10:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/I bet this year symbian will lose another five percent, heck I bet they will lose eight percent. Nokia is in trouble, people here are not lustering over their phones and it doesn't look like anything will change.
Poor winmo, if it wasn't for 7 series I would have said this was the year they officialy died but it looks like they have a light at the end of tunnel.

Wait does that mean they died then????? :/]]>Feb 23rd 2010 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://bit.ly/symbian-future-info]]>Feb 23rd 2010 12:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/
I love these odds.

]]>Feb 23rd 2010 1:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Feb 23rd 2010 2:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/
I think that Nokia still have issues to address. The utterly dominate the mid tier of smartphones but are up against tough competition at the high end where the iPhone currently takes the crown.

Saying that, the split of Nokia smartphones is interesting - roughly half and half number and N/E series - showing that they are still shifting a fair amount of higher end units.

But, yeah, Symbian^3 needs to deliver and MeeGo is kind of a wildcard just now.

RIM have done well. Spectacularly well in fact. This seems to get overlooked by the tech press a bit.]]>Feb 23rd 2010 2:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Feb 23rd 2010 3:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Feb 23rd 2010 3:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Feb 23rd 2010 5:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/
apple has a bit over 2% (can't be arsed to do the math) market share, you're looking at os's]]>Feb 23rd 2010 5:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/I was talking about smartphone market share]]>Feb 23rd 2010 5:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/
ah, i was under the impression that second table was about smartphones as well; nm]]>Feb 23rd 2010 5:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/
Indeed. It's especially impressive since the iPhone is a rather expensive device (even tho it's very well done for what it is). For this reason I think it's slowly reaching a "ceiling" of potential users.
Not many people outside of the US are capable or willing to shell out $700 for a phone. Or $70 a month for two years, which is even worse. That's HUGE money.

That's why Nokia etc. will still be there for the masses, since you can get a decent smartphone (even with a better camera and some other stuff) for about one third the price of an iPhone.]]>Feb 23rd 2010 5:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/
You make good points. I like Nokia's strategy too - they are emphasising their ability to provide for all users. Maybe this is something that Apple should consider in a similar way to their iPod ideology. ]]>Feb 23rd 2010 5:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Well actually non of the Americans are ready to pay the actual price of the phone. When example in North Europe +70 of phones are bought unlocked ;)

But you are right. While N97, N97 mini where big seller for Nokia and cost 500-600 euros they sold something like 3-4 millions. 5800 that costs 300 euros have sold +10 million.

Compare this to N95 time that costed 700-900 euros and sold 17 million alone(was 40% of Nokia's profits in one quarter).

After Symbian^3, Symbian^4 and MeeGo will have MUCH better picture of how will Nokia's very high end line do by end of this year.


Here's quote by Nokia exec from today just talking about this.

Anssi Vanjoki
Moreover they say, with regards to Symbian^1 / Symbian^1 family hardware platform, that "we stretched for too long, something which should not have been stretched.
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/11183_Video_Anssi_Vanjoki_on_the_N97.php]]>Feb 23rd 2010 6:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Feb 23rd 2010 6:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/
Well we certainly aren't paying that in oz. 49 plans, pre paid options. Businesses can buy them ouright from Telstra for $149 on standard business plans. ]]>Feb 23rd 2010 8:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/

And WinMo, such a sad, sad fall. Well, not to me, but just saying...]]>Feb 23rd 2010 9:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/
The reason why Apple is so successful is because they're not converting people to their platform from other smartphones, they're selling smartphones to people who never knew they wanted them.

Apple's marketing machine is very impressive.]]>Feb 23rd 2010 12:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/
Phones like the N79 or the 5800, which you can get for around 200€. The cheapest 3GS (16GB) is still around 550€.

The Nokias even have a few more hardware related features, but I'll give the edge to the iPhone for the software/UI part (except for iTunes and media format compatibility unless jailbroken). All in all, different categories of phones, so it's hard to compare them (especially the N79). But given the significant price difference I'm not surprised that Nokias sell more.

And to those who said you can get the iPhone cheaper, you're probably right, I'm ignorant.. For subsidized I was looking at the US prices, but I guess that's the wrong thing to do, since their ripoff "smarthpone plans" distort the picture and make even the crappiest smartphones expensive.]]>Feb 23rd 2010 12:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/
Furthermore, the iPhone 3G is the LEAST EXPENSIVE touch screen smartphone on the network with contract. Winmo phones are typically the most expensive.]]>Feb 23rd 2010 12:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Feb 23rd 2010 12:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/
Also the FM transmitter, the 5MP camera + flash, the front facing camera, the microSD slot, the TV out from the 3.5mm, better speakers cost some money. Maybe not as much as a touchscreen and faster CPU, but just saying.

As I've said different kinds of phones, but hey, both are considered smartphones, so there you have it.]]>Feb 23rd 2010 1:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/
I'm not sure I get your point with that.. maybe we've gone a bit offtopic.

My point was that the Symbian smartphones in general cost significantly less than the iPhone (while even offering some specific advantages, which some users might appreciate), therefore explaining the difference in market share. This would also hold true for used phones, there are many older Nokias which are way cheaper than 1st gen iPhones.]]>Feb 23rd 2010 2:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/why not just look at the phone and really compare them. Where does the iPhone come on top besides a larger screen? Don't talk processor, since it may have a faster one, but so can a calculator. What does it do?]]>Feb 23rd 2010 4:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/"Both the iphone and the N79 have internet. But how cool is browsing on this 2.4" non-touch screen? Is it really worth it to have a 5mp camera and check the photos on a 240x320 resolution?"

Most people don't buy a device to be cool. I was born cool, so any phone I use is cool. But if the screen size is all you can muster, there are better Symbian devices with larger screens than the iPhone. And you could always use TV out for browsing and photo sharing. I think people would find that much cooler, FYI.]]>Feb 23rd 2010 4:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Feb 24th 2010 1:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Feb 24th 2010 2:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/But Apple only really had one phone, yeah different generations, but still the same phone, and yet, that one phone is making it up there all by itself, and no one is STILL able to make a phone that just blows everyone's mind and makes people completely forget their iPhones.

Wow.. seriously guys?]]>Feb 23rd 2010 5:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Feb 23rd 2010 5:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Feb 23rd 2010 5:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Feb 23rd 2010 7:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/

Ok, you guys are just loking to troll with the "iPhone FTW", and "haters" nonsense, so I'll keep this simple.

#1 Apple invests more money in advertising and marketing than any other handset maker.

#2 They receive almost 100 million dollars worth of "free" advertising from places like Engadget with constant mentions and cameo placements in stories.

#3 Companies have finally figured out that you must dump money in marketing in order to connect and make a market impact (e.g. Motorola Droid).

#4 Marketing only "one" model is dangerous for Apple, because that model is 4 years old and virtually unchanged from the beginning. Their share in the US recently dropped slightly, and likely will continue as other companies start to actually promote their products more.]]>Feb 23rd 2010 8:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/
Holy shit, this man just opened my eyes and made me realize how much of a dumbass he really is. Bravo sir, bravo]]>Feb 23rd 2010 4:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Feb 24th 2010 2:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Apple's strategy is not to be a boutique label for the lucky few, but rather to grow as big as they can while maintaining their extremely high standards. In PCs, this gave them 4 % market share last year, in MP3 players a lot, lot more (the are no published international figures for this market from Gartner or others, but e.g. Sony's last Annual Report implies that Apple have awhopping 70 % worldwide AFAIR). While the Mac is offered in an extremely hostile, monopolized market, where less than 25 % of customers would even consider a machine without Windows, Apple's adressable, potential market share for phones and mp3 players is probably about 75 %, basically everything above bargain basement. Of course, competition in phones is also a lot, lot better than in mp3 players. Nevertheless, one should never write off Apple as a high-end player only. If we look at the iPad pricing (or at the iPod nano prices in 2005 to 2007, which floored the competition), Apple can play the price card, and I wouldn't be surprised if they took issue with the fact that the iPad is suddenly cheaper than the iPhone and lower the entry price of iPhone from $499/€499 to $399/€399 this year (before subsidies) and go ever lower in the coming years, eventually matching Nokia's low-end smartphone prices.]]>Feb 24th 2010 9:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Feb 23rd 2010 5:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Phones running LiMo and a variety of custom distros.]]>Feb 23rd 2010 5:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Ah, the various ROKRs and RAZRs. It's a stretch to call them "smartphones", but OK. ]]>Feb 23rd 2010 5:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/
does maemo count?]]>Feb 23rd 2010 6:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/i think maemo is linux ...]]>Feb 23rd 2010 7:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Maemo is probably the "real" smartphone platform, so yes, it does count, but all the three dozen units sold don't change anything in the big picture. ]]>Feb 23rd 2010 7:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/the LINUX numbers refer to platforms like that on the N900, OpenMiko, and Voda360. Remember, its a smartphone chart. I bet he's American. Most of us have no clue about smartphones...]]>Feb 23rd 2010 9:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Feb 24th 2010 2:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/
Oh what you know...]]>Feb 23rd 2010 5:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/Feb 23rd 2010 5:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/
I agree that it's growing, but I don't think it will grow so much as to surpass the dumbphone/cheapphone market. I think there's a limit, especially if smartphones continue to be so expensive. Do your parents want a smartphone? Does an average phone user want a smartphone? (think of the female population for a second, they are even the majority out there;))

Engadget readers are a very specific segment of the population, they don't represent the real world.]]>Feb 23rd 2010 5:50AM