http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/-Steve]]>Feb 26th 2010 3:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/@ipxnsv

Maybe it's just me, but I support Adobe on this...it sucks if ya bought a phone that doesn't meet the standard.

But it would be good for Android, maybe manufactures will stop releasing phones with dated hardware.

Adobe should still push Flash 8,9 or flash lite on the devices though.]]>Feb 26th 2010 4:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 5:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/
Basically it's up to Sammy to make this happen...it's not up to Adobe to port their wares on to ever custom ARM put into smartphones. Qualcomm obviously figured this out long ago and porting flash to Snapdragon was one of the first orders of business. ]]>Feb 26th 2010 5:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/
Samsung Moment isn't ARMv7, it's ARMv6]]>Feb 26th 2010 6:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://forums.adobe.com/message/2579416#2579416

Hi all,

You can expect the final release for Android to be available mid-year. All Android devices that meet our minimum s/w and h/w requirements will be supported. Unfortunately, I cannot say a lot more publicly about our port to the Android platform at this time.

As for WinMo, we have made the tough decision to defer support for that platform until WinMo7. This is due to the fact that WinMo6.5 does not support some of the critical APIs that we need.

As for your other questions:
Yes, we will support the Motorola Milestone.
No, the HTC Hero will not be supported b/c it does not have the correct Anroid OS version and it's chipset is not powerful enough. We require a device with an ARM v7 (Cortex) processor. Examples include the Qualcomm Snapdragon chipsets and TI OMAP3 series.

Best regards,

Antonio
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Oh well Antonio, you could use this "it's too bloated" to run "and we don't want to spend the time" marketing spin as a reason why Flash won't be on the iPhone or iPad, cause they aren't using the right chip anymore (I assume the '10 iPhone will be custom also).

I remember watching video streaming with flash way back in 1998 on a 200MMX. I also remember watching video with flash on a P3450. Ran all smooth like.

In fact my 2.24GHz C2D with 4gig uses nearly 100% to run the same content (that I had saved) at the same speed as my old P3450 with 128meg did using far less than 100%

So what's happened? Hmmm]]>Feb 26th 2010 9:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 9:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/
Yeah, but I didn't want to say that, Antonio appears to work for them. Can't be too obvious]]>Feb 27th 2010 5:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/
They are not being lazy. They do not want any complaints about speed when the problem is hardware imposed.]]>Feb 27th 2010 7:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 3:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/
All Hail Steve Jobs!]]>Feb 26th 2010 8:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 3:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 3:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/You're right, I should have gotten something other than the G1 when I bought my Android phone. I forget, what else was there besides that in 2008? Oh, right. Nothing.]]>Feb 26th 2010 4:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/well, you're probably due for an upgrade soon anyway, though...]]>Feb 26th 2010 6:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/I'm doing my best to hold onto it for at least another year. Something like the Nexus One with better battery life and a keyboard would be very nice.]]>Feb 26th 2010 6:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 27th 2010 12:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 3:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 3:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Does that include the upcoming Dell Mini5? That would be soooo wrong.
]]>Feb 26th 2010 3:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 4:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/
In light of the recent announcement that they're skipping support for windows mobile 6.5, this presumable means the HD2 will get a windows phone 7 upgrade.

Link: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/550281?tstart=30
Look at the 2nd reply.

A dutch tech news website already took this to mean the windows phone 7 series upgrade will come to the HD2.
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://tweakers.net/nieuws/65836/adobe-htc-hd2-krijgt-update-naar-windows-phone-7.html&sl=auto&tl=en]]>Feb 26th 2010 3:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 3:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 3:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 9:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 4:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 4:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 4:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/That's because you're using linux. Flash runs perfectly fine and uses a small fraction of my cpu time on my Win7 laptop. Flash Lite also runs quite well on my winmo phone (old at&t tilt), as do flash pages in skyfire. ]]>Feb 26th 2010 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 5:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 6:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 6:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/
Because there are not only an infinite number of hardware configurations, when you introduce "linux" you also have a few million different distros that may or may not react the same way.

Now on OSX, there is no excuse.]]>Feb 26th 2010 10:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/I beg to differ. I'm using a win 7 high end laptop and many times flash causes my lappy to stutter.

It's ridiculous. If flash can bring a high end laptop to it's knees, I dread to think how even the most powerful phone will handle it.

Seems I'm not the only one either.

As a test, go to http://www.bacardi.com and keep an eye on your cpu usage.

How pathetic, I agree with the OP, flash should just go away. There are much better technologies available. ]]>Feb 27th 2010 5:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/
I definitely agree that Flash hurts more on Linux than it does on Windows 7. Running 64-bit Ubuntu 9.10, Flash will consume almost all CPU cycles. This is on a 3.0 GHz (E4300) C2D with 6 GB of RAM. When I boot into 64-bit Windows 7, my computer handles Flash much more easily and doesn't noticeably drain system resources.

Either way, the only thing I use Flash for on a desktop is embedded videos so I have no desire to have this on my phone. Flash games are a joke compared to full PC, Xbox 360, PS3, or even iPhone games so I would never choose them over "real" options in my spare time. Due to the phone's screen size, I would end up zooming the video to fit the full screen anyway, so I much prefer the lightweight player that the iPhone (and presumably Android) currently uses. ]]>Feb 27th 2010 11:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 4:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/aka they are lazy?]]>Feb 26th 2010 4:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 4:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 4:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/
(and hear me out before you Android fanboys downgrade me)

While we can assume that this particular news is not Google's fault, it kind of kills the idea that every Android device will be able to do A, B and C. Now we have multiple OS versions, running on multiple processors with some that have the capabilities of running Flash10 and others that won't. This type of crap really fragments a platform and I could see developers being turned off by that. I think Google could have done a better job in herding phone makers into supporting the latest OS version right when it was released (and helping older phones get upgraded as soon as possible), and also narrowing-down that type of hardware that could support it... like giving them a minimum hardware spec that each phone had to hit. ]]>Feb 26th 2010 4:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 6:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/
There are 3 generations of iPhone and it's been on the market for 3 over years now. Android has been out for just over a year and there are already scores of different variations. You can make any excuses that you want, but such fragmentation within a platform over such a short period of time does not bode well for the heart of this market which is apps. Take a guess which platform a developer is going to prefer?]]>Feb 26th 2010 9:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/Feb 26th 2010 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/
Same CPU core as Snapdragon 8650 as well, just underclocked.

Almost all devices within the last year with enough computing power to run Flash are ARMv7 devices -- short of Atom. It has been since Cortex A8.]]>Feb 26th 2010 5:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/It's like me to make these mistakes because I don't take the time to make sure I'm not confusing things :/ So this line of processors isn't the same line that's in most HTC Android phones? Excluding the N1 and Droid? I've used a buddy's MyTouch and another buddy's Hero (Sprint), and they are just not snappy enough for me. From readin previous charts and articles, I was under the imression that all Android phones up until the Droid was released had the same processor, the crappy Quallcomm 5xxMHz.

If I'm wrong, please correct me. I hate being wrong, especially when I post something based on the wrongness -_-]]>Feb 26th 2010 6:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/flash-10-1-snubbing-non-armv7-android-devices-too/im not sure about all this processor stuff either, but i know for sure that clock speed isnt everything]]>Feb 26th 2010 6:21PM