http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Mar 2nd 2010 11:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
I'm sure Apple thinks they know what they are doing here, but this one may come back and bite them in the ass.]]>Mar 2nd 2010 9:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Mar 2nd 2010 9:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Mar 2nd 2010 10:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
Microsoft had multi-touch firrrrsssttt!!!]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Mar 2nd 2010 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Wasn't it with Microsoft Surface?]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
Pfft.. before Apple, smartphones were WinMo trash.

Bring it on, Formosa.]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Mar 2nd 2010 10:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
congratulations, that has nothing to do with the fact that microsoft had multi-touch firrrssssttt! You know you love it ]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
I think u find that
nokia sued apple
apple sued nokia
apple sued htc

guess what happens next?

I think htc who has been around long before apple made the iphone was making smartphones do all the stuff iphone does par multi touch.

I think this was a silly idea as htc will now counter sue with more than 20 patent infringements. ]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
As a Windows 7 user and a 360 Elite owner I have nothing against MS personally. I just don't think they reinvented the wheel like Apple has done and continues to do.

Again this is just another attempt by the Apple haters to vent their frustrations out. Meanwhile Apple continues rolling in the dough and laughing all the way to the bank.

Meanwhile leaving millions of satisfied customers in their wake. For all the bitching you hear on Engadget from you haters about Apple you'd think it's IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to actually LIKE the iPhone or a Mac. But that's definitely NOT the case. I love my iPhone and I know people who love their MacBooks and their iMacs, and whatever.

So really the Apple haters need to get a grip. Apple isn't the DEVIL. And they have a perfectly good reason for this lawsuit even if you're blind rage can't allow you to see it.]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Mar 2nd 2010 10:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
Being around longer does not mean they HTC invented them first.

Dont get me wrong I just sold my iphone 3GS to get a nexus one and I like competition but apple must what they are doing.

Oh while the nexus one is better than the iphone is some areas it is worse in most of the areas.

At the end of the day when we leave geeks like us out of the equation for the common man apple did make the smartphone usable even if they did not invent it. Think about the user experience and UI that apple provides. Nexus one still could not match it with better specs.

And nexus one is not the first HTC phone I have used. I had a Tmobile Pocket PC back in 2003 and AT&T tilt they both sucked]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/apple can kiss my a$$ ..

they were first to break rules ... after stealing bunch of stuffs from nokia they invented a phone ..

i feel apple is too creepy, after looking at those mac vs pc ad i really hate .. they patent almost everything ( regardless of use) and keeps suing everyone ..

the company is running milking those crazy macfans .. who will buy shit also if that has i infront of it ( ishit) ]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/You refer Apple as a 'Smartphone'. It's really a 'Featurephone' according to the online definition. It lacks core smartphone capabilities.]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/What is wrong with a company defending its patents? You may not like the company or the patents they own, but that doesn't make them invalid. The courts will decide that issue.]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
You mean like using 3rd party apps directly?]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
If theyre going to sue HTC, theyre going to have to sue many others including Google.]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
I'm considering the same move. Selling my 3GS for a Nexus One, once it comes in AT&T 3G bands. So, is the Nexus one all that or what?]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
Ummm no FingerTouch had the first muli-touch patent and Apple bought them and their Intellectual Property. ]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
There is no industry standard definition for a smart phone. Each one has its own set of activities that he feels a smartphone should do.

For most of the people apple seems to provide the experience they are looking for this is shown by its rising market share. The revenue numbers tell it all.]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/So a company should defend its patents no matter what? And be extremely aggressive in the matter? People are not suggesting that the mere usage of a patent lawsuit is a bad thing (although filing with the ITC as well is a bit of a bitch move, as it's effectively a way to try and sue someone twice for one thing), but that filing a lawsuit against HTC, a manufacturer who has been in the game for a long time, and has rarely done something that would be considered theft of intellectual property.

Copyright and patent laws are supposed to promote the progress, not be used to stifle a company that has been extremely innovative in terms of hardware and software.]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
The key is usually not the word "invent" but "patent". The real deal is that in the US you can patent even breathing, so there you have patent trolls all over the place. One of the funniest, Steve.

So, it is part of the game for today's Corporations and their funky lawyers. In the future there will be no room for small companies, as every deep pocketed Corp will have reasons to believe everything belongs to them, thanks mainly to legislators.
Todays US patent system barely stimulates any kind of competition. Or you grant a lot for short periods of time, or real IP for longer terms, after that... open source WTF!]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/get a nexus one. ]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Mar 2nd 2010 10:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
this seriously is bull. i think they waited specifically for google to cave in and do official multitouch so they can hit as many heads as possible. douche move, apple. real douchtastic. here's my middle finger. and guess what? im that much closer to assembling my magnificent army of ninja pirate skygeeks set to overthrow your tyrannical empire of evil. who wants to join? free nexus ones for the first 25 entrants]]>Mar 2nd 2010 10:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Mar 2nd 2010 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Mar 2nd 2010 11:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
Apple does not wan't to pay a penny in license fees to any of the big names for any patents they may have. ]]>Mar 2nd 2010 11:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Apples law firm doesn't care about their chances of winning, they'll be rolling in cash piles regardless. And HTC is unaware of the patent system? Yeah it's not like Taiwan doesn't have patent laws... oh wait it does. Well, it's not like HTC has been making phones since before the iPhone was a twinkle in Steve's eye, oh it has...]]>Mar 2nd 2010 11:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Mar 2nd 2010 11:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Mar 2nd 2010 11:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
"We only learned of Apple's actions based on your stories and Apple's press release. We have not been served yet so we are in no position to comment on the claims. We respect and value patent rights but we are committed to defending our own innovations. We have been innovating and patenting our own technology for 13 years."

So this is basically a PR stunt by Apple as of now to try to scare HTC?

How tacky!

OK then HTC, you have 13 years of patents, I suggest you get them nice and in order and just see if Apple is willing to go down this road.

And while you are at it, see if some other handset makers want some of the action too, because this appears how Apple is going to "innovate" for the new decade.]]>Mar 2nd 2010 11:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
looking at the list...alot of those are software based...shouldn't Apple be TRYING to sue Google instead? Not that they will win necessarily, but aren't they going after the wrong guys?

BTW Go Android!]]>Mar 2nd 2010 11:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Hey Apple, long before your employees even had beepers, before Palm became Palm, and before Blackberry seeds were sown, there was i-mate.

And who made those i-mates? H T C]]>Mar 2nd 2010 11:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
More likely, they're suing HTC INSTEAD of Google, what with the former friendliness between the big A and the big G. If they can nail HTC, who doesn't have the war chest of Google, then it's kind of an end run around Google. This would give Apple more ammo if they DO decide to make a play at Google.

From looking at the docs, most of this seems to have "prior art" written all over it (no surprise given the generosity of the USPTO). This is Apple being aggressive with their coffers, because litigation costs time and money, Apple's got a bigger army than HTC.]]>Mar 2nd 2010 11:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Mar 2nd 2010 11:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Hey can't we all just get along?
If we can't I'm suing...]]>Mar 2nd 2010 11:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
Okay, I don't know but has HTC got 13years of patents, in the USA or even in their own country. I don't recall engadget ever reporting on HTC patenting anything, not like that is the be all and end all.

To others, having not read Apple's patents, and who of us has, the ones listed didn't seem to be multi-touch related.

To a couple others. When was the last big patent legal action Apple launched beside a few iPod trademark scuffles. Creative I think. The nokia bingle is a counter-sue and really just their personal scuffle over royalties.

I think the whole patent system is a joke and I even promote anti-patents; but Apple got savaged by not patenting in the 80's so now they patent everything. They had better use them though, some of the recent ones like packaging and stuff.

A patent troll is a mob who doesn't use the patent they have waiting under the bridge to jump some poor sucker. This is patents that are being used.

Regardless, the USA patent system gves them away like toys in cereal boxes. I don't know if these are valid claims, none of us that I see commenting do, it's all just rage or love.

As for multi-touch, well apes did that one, then
maybe star trek, then finger works. Sadly the prior two didn't take advatage of patents.

Enough with patents, we all invent everything.]]>Mar 2nd 2010 12:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Mar 2nd 2010 12:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
Actually Applied Minds developed Touch Table way before Surface was released:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TouchTable
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Surface

But I believe that multitouch was around even before that - 1982 at University of Toronto.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch]]>Mar 2nd 2010 12:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
Explain why iPhone is not a smartphone and only featurephone. ]]>Mar 2nd 2010 12:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
Apple's strategy is, first one to patent and [then] sue wins.

Usually, the 1st company to sue is trying to position itself as the market leader in the technology.]]>Mar 2nd 2010 12:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
To everybody here complaining about this - suck it up. Apple wouldn't bother suing if they didn't have the patents to back it up. I'm sorry that you don't like the fact that Apple has these patents but they do. Too bad.

If you think it's cool to infringe on Apple's patents, I'll be sure to steal whatever ideas you have and make money off them, because that's obviously cool with you. Right? All this outrage against Apple is insanely stupid. Every company sues to protect their patents. EVERY COMPANY.

EVERY.

COMPANY.

Was that not clear, or are you just so blinded by your hatred of Apple that you're suffering from a severe case of stupid?

Nokia is suing Apple, where's your outrage over that? Yeah, that's what I thought.]]>Mar 2nd 2010 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
So basically you admit that APPLE HAS WON.

Thank You

Case Closed

So much for the Nexus One. It was never an iPhone killer. So its loss isn't that big a deal.]]>Mar 2nd 2010 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Mar 2nd 2010 12:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Mar 2nd 2010 12:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/
Well said. I think apple should fight like a man and if they really think they have a product better than anyone else , why do they need to make so many patents.

LG, nokia, samsung, sony ericsson, motorola, blackberry, dont make patent wars, its plain simple competition. cummon Mr Jobs grow up.]]>Mar 2nd 2010 12:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-sues-htc-for-infringing-20-iphone-patents/Source?]]>Mar 2nd 2010 12:40PM