http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/ Engadget Comments for Microsoft bringing XNA Game Studio 4.0 to GDC this week, does 3D gaming for Windows Phone http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/with the combined efforts of the Zune, WP7S and xbox gaming, the mobile gaming experience should be far better than that of iPhone and Android OS. I love both platforms but i never felt that gaming was their strong suit.]]>Mar 9th 2010 1:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/
It's just about time that Microsoft realized that their various properties actually work together really well if they just went and did it.]]>Mar 9th 2010 1:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/
its time to buy ms stock ;)]]>Mar 9th 2010 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Mar 9th 2010 2:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Mar 9th 2010 2:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Mar 9th 2010 3:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Don't want to rain on your parade or anything, but maybe you should wait until you see some real games made with this? XNA doesn't exactly fly up to now. Not on xbox, not on Windows. Before you can conclude that XNA 4 will bring a 'far better game experience' than anything maybe you should see some actual games?

Integration across multiple platforms is all fine and dandy, but if you're only going to integrate millions of crappy bejeweled clones with some sad 3D effects tucked on, it doesn't really sound that attractive anymore. Personally I think you need native code to do even a half-decent game, which right now means either iPhone OS or -if you don't mind limiting your market to a few handsets and using the more or less experimental NDK- Android.]]>Mar 9th 2010 3:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Mar 9th 2010 4:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Maybe you just haven't been looking in the right places. There are plenty of good games made with XNA published in an array of places such as Acrade and Indie games; two examples: The Dishwasher, Shooter1Up. What makes you think XNA is insufficient for making games when 5 years worth of XNA says otherwise. FYI you don't have to use c# for XNA its just the only language MS cares to support (since they have very good documentation in comparison to say C++). Hell I've seen avatar (retail game on the xbox) running via XNA.]]>Mar 9th 2010 4:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Maybe you have some inside information I'm missing, but I'm basing my judgement on the quality XNA games that are publicly available and the fact that XBLA games are AFAIK not made with XNA at all, even though it would be a perfect environment for it.

I never said you couldn't write nice games with XNA by the way, and I didn't say anything about C# either, they're both nice technologies. But the fact remains that with XNA you _will_ be running managed code no matter what (that's what has been the whole point from day 1) which could turn out to be extremely limiting for phone hardware. ]]>Mar 9th 2010 4:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/
I believe, MS has done a pretty good job on giving a fresh new look on how users see a smartphone device. Can't wait to see this one rolling out on the market. Impressions: http://bit.ly/windows-phone-7-reactions-to-impressions]]>Mar 9th 2010 5:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/There is no restriction on what arcade games can be made in. Simply most of the arcade games are made by developers with enough resources to not need XNA, i.e 9/10 of them have development kits. While managed code may be performance limiting it could just be what 'untrusted' developers need. Imagine a game causing memory leaks on your phone 0_0]]>Mar 9th 2010 5:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/MS has actually specifically defined the required hardware, and said they'd partner with AT&T, my current carrier.
Thats why this last thing is the nail in the coffin, and not something that comes before that. Because im not jumping the gun.]]>Mar 9th 2010 6:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Already have, went up 17 cents today just from this article by engadget]]>Mar 9th 2010 7:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/
I'm kind of torn about WP7S...I love my 360 and XNA so that's definitely appealing but for me the interface is the most important factor when buying a phone, and so far I've found HTC Sense on Android to be the most visually attractive and enjoyable to use.

WP7S definitely seems like a major step in the right direction but from all the walkthrough videos and screenshots to me it just appears a bit...sterile. I get that it's minimalism but it seems taken to the extreme where it's not pleasant to look at. It seems very efficient and all but very very bland and empty. I find sometimes the glossiness and icing on the cake like HTC's Sense can make using a phone much more enjoyable and so far WP7S seems overly industrial and almost unfriendly.

Hopefully I'll be wrong once I try one out. =) That's about the only thing putting me off WP7S and making me feel like I should stick with HTC Android phones for a while (or until Palm puts out a large-screen phone).]]>Mar 9th 2010 8:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/I wanted an i Phone but have held off until I could see this thing. I had a Zune that I liked but it went belly up and I want something to replace it. Pi day tells the tale]]>Mar 12th 2010 7:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Have you forgotten?

Why did you get Tegra when you were going to release only a handful of games???]]>Mar 9th 2010 1:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Don't worry, it will get its due too. Its already established so they don't have to focus as much on it as they do WM7 and the 360 integration.]]>Mar 9th 2010 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Mar 9th 2010 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/
sooo, how do you explain the 3D titles that's on the ZuneHD like PGR3? AudioSurf?]]>Mar 9th 2010 1:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/
A simple ZuneHD update in the future will open it up to all the capabilities that WM7 will offer.

No big deal.]]>Mar 9th 2010 1:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/thihttp://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5541s: They were not developed with tools available to the public. XNA 3.1 does not provide the ability to write 3D apps for any Zune model.

Here's more:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5541]]>Mar 9th 2010 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/MS built that not some third party.]]>Mar 9th 2010 2:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/
If MS is going to keep the standalone media player alive, then Zune HD will probably be compatible with WP7S games.

If MS is going to get out of the standalone player business, then this update is very unlikely.

So the real question that needs to be asked is whether MS is going to keep the Zune alive, or was it just a test bed for WP7S? One would think the former, except that the Zune HD never made it out of the US.]]>Mar 9th 2010 2:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Mar 9th 2010 2:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Mar 9th 2010 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Their whole iTunes equivalent is "Zune" branded. They recently just added the zune marketplace to xbox 360. The WP7 will use that same "zune marketplace". I doubt they'll abandon the player. But rather just put it on the back burner]]>Mar 9th 2010 2:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/xna 4 is not available to the public currently so I would think that Is what they used internally.
To me the zune HD, while cool, has always felt like their test device. Try a bunch of different features and technologies to iron out the bugs for winphone 7.
The Une has network connectivity, marketplace integration and Tegra chipset so it should be capable Of a lot of what the new phones can do. The only difference would be higher end games. This is no different than the original iPhone compared to the 3gs. I have both the original iPhone really struggles sometimes these days. ]]>Mar 9th 2010 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/
Let Apple show you the way.]]>Mar 9th 2010 5:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Mar 9th 2010 8:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Mar 10th 2010 12:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Mar 9th 2010 1:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/
They've actually... dare I say it... Innovated.

That's right, I said it.. Microsoft Innovated.

]]>Mar 9th 2010 1:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Mar 9th 2010 1:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/
probably even earlier than that]]>Mar 9th 2010 1:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Mar 9th 2010 3:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Mar 9th 2010 4:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Where've you been then? I'd say Microsoft was innovating from (almost) their very beginning. Sure, they've had to work the bugs out, but that's part of innovating something.]]>Mar 9th 2010 6:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/
no but when ever you reply to him you type asshole (@sshole)]]>Mar 10th 2010 5:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Mar 9th 2010 1:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Mar 9th 2010 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/
I'm already pulling at the leash to get started. Release this thing so we can get started MS!!!]]>Mar 9th 2010 1:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Mar 9th 2010 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Mar 9th 2010 1:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/
Tritto.]]>Mar 9th 2010 1:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/A WP7 from HTC

I hope the phone makers add D-pads to the devices.]]>Mar 9th 2010 1:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/I'm getting tired of Blackberry phones.]]>Mar 9th 2010 1:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/
Oh holy hell no. Have you ever used a hardware keyboard with a dpad squeezed into it? It makes typing a very unpleasant experience.]]>Mar 9th 2010 3:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/Mar 9th 2010 1:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/microsofts-bringing-xna-game-studio-4-0-to-gdc-this-week-does/
(Also, I'm in the same boat as a large open source person helping out WebOS I find I will most likely jumping ship once that SDK is released. So many nice devices expected no real risk involved either.)]]>Mar 9th 2010 1:54PM