http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/ Engadget Comments for HTML5 vs. Flash comparison finds a few surprises, settles few debates http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 10th 2010 11:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/as buggy and crappy as the code is, at least its getting better. but, maybe Stevie Jobs should stfu when he complains about flash being the culprit behind the majority of all OSX crashes. Maybe if you actually allowed them access to your hardware, customers would have a better experience. But in steves zero-sum world of either i win, or they win...he'll never give up an inch. Yeah, maybe adobe is lazy...but you would think he'd at least care about his customers experience, something apple always touts "it just works". Sometimes i really hate that guy, his arrogance is astounding. ]]>Mar 11th 2010 1:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Steve Jobs may be arrogant but you know what- he know A LOT about computers. You could argue that many self made BILLIONaires are probably a little arrogant since they had to be pretty smart and knowledgeable to get to where they are from nothing- like say building a computer company out of a garage. I'm going to have to say that your "hate" for him is totally unfounded. Steve makes computers. That's it- he doesn't pass laws upon you that steal your God given right, force healthcare issues upon you and your neighbors that you don't want, or put you into debt by spending trillions of dollars you don't have. HE MAKES COMPUTERS- for HIS company no less. If you don't agree with his opinion when it comes to computers- DON'T BUY THEM.

As for Adobe- flash has always been a menace on a Mac. You think Apple should give Adobe MORE ACCESS and allow them lower level hardware ability? No thank you. I'm pretty sure if Adobe were to improve their game and make a fast, stable, efficient software offering for the Mac with robust support Steve would support Adobe. Adobe won't improve their game, so Steve won't support Adobe.]]>Mar 11th 2010 3:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 11th 2010 4:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 11th 2010 5:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
And that is why I don't like apple. They make outstanding product, but the company don't care about you just your money. ]]>Mar 11th 2010 7:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
On a sidenote, I read somewhere that Flash 10.1 will indeed feature GPU acceleration on the Mac, making those previous Adobe statements about Apple bullying them even more ridiculous. However, that doesn't change any of the other facts why Flash must go.]]>Mar 11th 2010 8:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Well I'm sure Steve likes the fact that iTunes works perfectly on the Mac and that is where Steve would like you go get your video from. That said Steve doesn't have much motivation to allow Adobe to left Flash run better on a Mac. Why would Steve like sites like Youtube and Hulu to run better for streaming video. Same way that Steve doesn't want Flash support on the iPhone OS to undermine the App Store purchases. Its not about "User Experience" or "Stable Platforms" its about iron fist platform control and dollars.]]>Mar 11th 2010 11:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 11th 2010 11:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Apr 22nd 2010 9:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 10th 2010 11:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
I think what a lot of people don't understand when they say that HTML 5 is the future is that HTML 5 is not a programming language. It is a solution for streaming content. Flash is a full programming language. There's no way you're going to see HTML 5 and javascript pushing all the kind of content that Flash can do.]]>Mar 11th 2010 12:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/And as long as HTML5 doesn't support DRM, you won't see it being adopted on any popular streaming sites any time soon (i.e Hulu)]]>Mar 11th 2010 12:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
Yeah, but you could say the same thing about the web ... "HTML is not a programming language or application platform, it's a solution for delivering documents to a computer. There's no way you'll see the web delivering the same kind of content as a native application." And, really, that's still true. But it doesn't mean that HTML5 can't make the web an even crappier place than it already is.]]>Mar 11th 2010 12:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/As someone who's earned his tuition for the past 2 years as a web dev (mostly in RIA's), I'll say this: usually if the situation allows me to write using Flash, I will. If the situation allows me to write using Silverlight, I jump for joy. If the situation calls for pure HTML/Javascript I tend to be less happy.]]>Mar 11th 2010 12:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
You guys dont think we could have a lot of rich gaming experiences using HTML5? I really dont know, from what I have researched and whatnot I have just learned about streaming services like video and whatnot. ]]>Mar 11th 2010 12:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
HTLM5 does not and will not do a better job than flash when it came to visualization and interaction of website. Done! End of discussion. ]]>Mar 11th 2010 12:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 11th 2010 12:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
steve jobs is afraid of flash because it would stop him from selling crap apps at 5$, rather than having them for free with flash.

the funniest thing is that apple fanboys follow him

Next time steve jobs will say that java is useless and buggy, what we all want is turbopascal. And the fanboys will follow him.]]>Mar 11th 2010 2:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
Troll and nong, nothing but.

]]>Mar 11th 2010 2:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 11th 2010 3:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
Well I am sure your visually impaired customers are not quite as happy as you when you use flash and are far happier than you when you use HTML and Javascript. There is a lot more to web development than making a flashy(pardon the pun) page. I have been a web developer for going on 7 years and I do not use flash or silverlight unless I absolutely have to and even then there will be alternatives on offer for those that do not have them installed or can't use them for accessibility reasons.

On the differences between HTML5 and Flash. They are two very different beasts that happen to crossover for video. HTML5 is a far better option in theory than flash for video as it will not require a plugin and can be made accessible, however try to make HTML5 do the same interactive features that flash is capable of and you will be stumped.]]>Mar 11th 2010 4:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 11th 2010 4:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
Speaking of money... why don't developers quit fucking around with making stupid Flash games... and start making iPhone apps?

You know... people actually *pay* for iPhone apps.

How do Flash developers get paid... by having their Flash game on a web page surrounded by ads? Making 1/10 of one cent per view?

If Steve Jobs wants to protect the 30% of the money he gets from iPhone apps... then iPhone developers sure as hell wanna protect their 70% too.

How much money do Flash game developers make anyway?]]>Mar 11th 2010 5:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/At the moment, pretty much all online video is delivered using flash, the downside to which is that as more and more devices support full web browsing, each manufacturer must spend a long time making the flash player work on their device. Adobe holds all the power... potentially not a good thing when we're all trying to promote open web standards. The alternative then, HTML5 video, might still be in its infancy but it at least means that devices simply have to integrate a freely available codec.]]>Mar 11th 2010 7:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Thanks for responding to MrDiSante. Making Silverlight and Flash your go to for webpages is ridiculous. Flash should be the absolute last thing you should be putting on your webpage.

A guy I worked with just designed a webpage where it was all done in Flash and all he did was provide hover overs in pictures. I could have done that with html and css or add some pazzaz with javascript.]]>Mar 11th 2010 8:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
With Flash, all browsers can share the same content. With HTML5, this is not possible at this time. If Apple would work with Adobe and not against them, maybe they would have a better viewing experience.

Steve Jobs needs to keep his mouth shut. His is trying to lead cosumers down a path that is not ready to be implemented at this time.

Also, Flash is a programming language, yes. Not a in HTML5.]]>Mar 11th 2010 9:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Take a look at that: www.chromeexperiments.com

It's sure that HTML5 video is not yet ready to fully replace Flash video but I really hope it's gonna be soon.
I'm really sink of using Flash on Mac/Linux ... and even on Windows, it's not that good.]]>Mar 11th 2010 9:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
I see a business opportunity for a site that streams popular DRM-free media using HTML5.]]>Mar 11th 2010 9:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 11th 2010 11:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/HTML5 is the future of video streaming... this comparison between HTML5 and Flash is stupid because is made only from the point of view of videos.. tell me how can you do the applications that are made in Flash in HTML5 (http://www.mono-1.com/monoface/main.html or http://interactive.nfb.ca/waterlife/ )]]>Mar 11th 2010 11:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
HTTP = HYPER TEXT TRANSPORT PROTOCOL

key word is TEXT...for all you youngins hyper text means text that will link to more text.

http and html was never intended for media.

we should dump the format completly

HTML 5 is just another annoying bandaid on a should be dead format that the WC3 has kept alive.

we should dump it all and accept a more media friendly protocol and format.

html 5 will not kill anything but itself.

]]>Mar 11th 2010 11:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 25th 2010 6:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 10th 2010 11:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
Yes]]>Mar 10th 2010 11:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 10th 2010 11:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
I top am a PC and use Chrome. I guess we can win together!]]>Mar 10th 2010 11:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
and by "top" I mean "too." Man I wish I could type....]]>Mar 10th 2010 11:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 10th 2010 11:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
No worries, typing is Complex.



Pants.]]>Mar 10th 2010 11:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
I suggest we fill it with booze and get drunk chugging out of it. Like in Revenge of the Nerds :)]]>Mar 10th 2010 11:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 10th 2010 11:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 11th 2010 12:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/yes because google chrome is full of win.
Especially on Win7 64bit
lightning fast chrome FTW]]>Mar 11th 2010 12:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/
I thought we were drinking out of a trophy...]]>Mar 11th 2010 12:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 10th 2010 11:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 11th 2010 12:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/That wouldn't alter the Flash:HTML5 CPU usage ratio anyway.]]>Mar 11th 2010 3:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 10th 2010 11:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/html5-vs-flash-comparison-finds-a-few-surprises-settles-few-de/Mar 10th 2010 11:41PM