http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 7:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
Exactly, they created this iconic table that if priced right (]]>Mar 18th 2010 7:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 7:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/hell Id buy one for 20,000 if I had that kind of money lying around.]]>Mar 18th 2010 7:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/See, the thing is, I don't think people really want to sit straight up and stare down at their PCs, or hunch over them. People are used to looking straight ahead at their screens, and what can you really do as a consumer with a table, other than using it maybe to sift through pictures or play board games. You can't use it for movies unless you can find some way to get comfortable while staring straight down. Same goes for corporate use - how can you be comfortable working while leaning over a table?]]>Mar 18th 2010 7:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
Why couldn't you use it for movies? Sure, I wouldn't want to look down at my table for long viewing experiences. However, a projector could always be built into the table, or included as an accessory so it could be positioned to the user's liking. The table could have built in connections (and maybe shelving?) for your set top box, consoles, etc.

Theoretically if done correctly one Surface table could be your PC, coffee table, AND entertainment center in one. Sure, it might up the cost of it, but you wouldn't be spending any extra on an HDTV, etc. ]]>Mar 18th 2010 8:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 8:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/]]>Mar 19th 2010 12:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 19th 2010 1:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Umm... Actually, people have been working with desktops for years. In fact, it's such a successful paradigm that the personal computer has used this name (desktops) to get people comfortable with the new paradigm of working on a panel that sits straight up in front of you. Couple the surface with a pen (and obviously a virtual keyboard), and you've got yourself the ultimate computer.

We just gotta make sure the progs we write for it are suitable for a /real/ desktop.]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
It's not the collest shit on the earth, that's pure fanboy talk. We have one here at work, it's cool the first 10 minutes, then it becomes another Wii device as the wow factor turns boring. Might work where businesses want attractions for their consumers but at $15K or so, it's a bad investment like most MSFT product ideas.]]>Mar 19th 2010 9:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/That's what I was saying - it's hunching over "coffee-table" computers that people aren't used to doing. Pair a surface PC with a vertical display, however, then you have a killer product. Like a keyboard and mouse on steroids, with all the benefits of a full-fledged PC in addition to the vertical display.]]>Mar 19th 2010 5:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
Just wait, That is way too cool. Seems much more responsive than the touch screens currently available from companies like HP, especially with the multitouch ability.

Latest: http://bit.ly/microsoft-surface-reactions-examined]]>Mar 20th 2010 3:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
Surface wasn't released in any capacity. Only WPF and Silverlight. They are not the same. You could write a surface alternative yourself easily enough using WPF and multi-touch support, but, it's not even a commercial product.]]>Apr 12th 2010 12:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 7:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
Those are pretty different products: Surface and Courier.]]>Mar 18th 2010 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 7:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
What I meant is implement the technology of Surface into the Courier. That way, it is much more affordable than a table PC.]]>Mar 18th 2010 7:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 7:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
Heck, at least Surface actually exists. Courier is just a concept video that they trotted out in an effort to prevent the iPad from becoming a runaway train.

I suppose the tactic has worked, given all the comments about "Wait until Courier!" I read here and on Giz, but come on -- Courier is Duke Nukem Forever for the hardware set.]]>Mar 18th 2010 7:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 7:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
Not sure where they would house the camera's that are used to capture gesture input in the courier.]]>Mar 18th 2010 7:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 7:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/The real threat to the iPad is, not Courier (which is a real product due to be released later this year, by the way), but the HP Slate. The reason is that the Slate will run the full Windows 7 OS, meaning you can use it for all your iTunes content (except apps, of course), full-blown PC apps, and Zune/Amazon/AnyOtherMediaStore content.]]>Mar 18th 2010 7:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 8:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
As of this moment.. the courier is vapor. I love how everyone screamed that the iphone lacked this.. and sucks at that.. blah blah blah.. and then became the runaway hit that it is... love it or hate it you can't argue that its a force in the market. And all that this or that came after the hardware demo...not some mockup demo concept video. MS release this concept video and all the MS fanboy/zealots start having non stop wet techno dreams.. and yell courier in every useless war they comment into. I saw avatar to but that doesnt mean I'm looking for tall blue aliens in the trees out back.

My opinion is that MS is making big changes in an attempt to become relevant again. Windows 7 shows hope.....WP7 looks interesting and their tone has changed on many levels... and good for them.. finally changing after the market has forced it to move. But the Courier aint nothing but a video until we see the thing demo'd]]>Mar 18th 2010 8:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
The iPad is a "gadget" that will do exactly what the wildly popular iPod Touch and iPhone can do. Not many people will mind its limitations.

The HP Slate is a full Windows 7 netbook... but it's missing a keyboard. Remember the "why get an iPad when you can get a netbook that does so much more" comments? If that's the case... why not get a real Windows 7 netbook instead of an HP Slate? There's the competition...

People will buy an iPad because it's an iPad. Trying to decide between an Asus netbook and the HP Slate will be trickier.

So... while the HP Slate makes more sense on paper as a tablet because it is able to do so much more than the iPad... I still don't see it as a serious threat to the iPad.]]>Mar 18th 2010 9:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 11:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
It appears that the HP Slate will run an Atom processor with a Broadcom CrystalHD graphic accelerator. The article can be found here: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/08/hp-slate-makes-an-appearance-to-show-off-flash-stays-for-a-rock/
The hardware should be enough to support Windows 7.]]>Mar 19th 2010 12:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/The difference between the HP Slate and netbooks: multitouch capacitive touch screen, perfect for curling up in your favorite chair or couch away from the TV room, and watching your movies and TV shows, be they in iTunes, Zune, Amazon Video On Demand, Netflix Watch Instantly, Hulu, etc.
The reason why Windows tablets have failed in the past: poor touchscreen relied on stylus, mostly a niche product for business, and no one thought to use it for entertainment (to be fair, there weren't really any entertainment options without a CD/DVD drive back then).]]>Mar 19th 2010 12:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
A netbook and the HP Slate both have pluses and minuses. A netbook is a traditional Windows laptop that will do pretty much anything a real laptop can do… but it’s hard to use in bed or on the couch. The HP Slate also runs Windows… but because of its tablet form factor… it probably won’t get much use outside of a web browser and for watching video on the couch.

I guess my question is… what do people want? Will more people buy an HP Slate to use on the couch, and to run the occasional Windows app… or will more people buy a netbook to be used as a small Windows laptop, and to watch the occasional TV show? Like I mentioned before… it’s gonna be real interesting to see the HP Slate sitting next to the netbooks at Best Buy. I can’t wait to hear the sales pitches for each.

We already know that netbooks are hot sellers because you can get one for about $300… and at that price… why the hell not?

Yet… people have pre-ordered 100,000 iPads in only a few days… sight-unseen… fully aware of its limitations. Hmmmmm….

So, what happens if you cram the guts of a Windows netbook into a tablet device, aka the HP Slate? Is that the ultimate device?

Right now, the HP Slate is winning, in theory, because it will run Flash and anything else you want. If the HP Slate is $500, then your original statement is correct... it will be a competitor to the iPad.

There are a million use cases for all these devices. I have a monster desktop I use to edit video… but I don’t have a laptop. I want a netbook for real computing on the road.

I also want an iPad… for web browsing and all those digital magazines we keep seeing demos for.

So for me, the HP Slate is stuck in limbo… it doesn’t have the keyboard I need to be used as a laptop… nor the exclusive magazine content that the iPad will likely get.

Regardless… I’m buying a netbook first… before I even think about buying an iPad.
]]>Mar 19th 2010 8:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/If I win the PCH sweepstakes or something, I'd get the Slate to function as an iPod Touch with vastly superior capabilities. As far as the public, only time will tell, as you say. If the Slate gets 100,000 pre-orders, I will be absolutely floored. The Slate is a threat to the iPad, but, based on these early results, certainly not an iPad-killer. So the Slate is, like the iPad, an in-betweener - 33% competing with netbooks, 33% competing with laptops, and 33% competing with PMPs like the iPod Touch and Zune HD. The estimated price point of the Slate, according to a more recent Engadget post, is $550, on a par with the iPad.]]>Mar 19th 2010 6:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 8:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 9:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
After watching the demo videos I HAD to have one.

Hopefully it isn't dead as I'd be first in line when these come to market at a reasonable price (I'd even buy in as an early adopter which is a rare thing for someone so bang-for-buck oriented as myself)

Here's to waiting]]>Mar 18th 2010 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 7:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
Home use I just don't see catching on.]]>Mar 18th 2010 7:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
I guess I should have said "didn't evolve more rapidly"

On a personal scale this is an ideal coffee table for me, I mean ideal as I don't like to be pent up in my office when I want to be casually browing the web and I don't like browing on my TV through an HTPC.
Call me crazy but this fits my needs perfectly (within a home network)

I also believe that if we see these in retail and higher end lounges, bars, etc. it would also fuel the prospective home buyers.
The release of an OS along with movement in the mobile space from MS can only be a good thing for this wonderful project.

]]>Mar 18th 2010 7:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
I do hope that the development is working and as my other post suggests I do believe retail development and the service industry is a great launch point into consumers homes.

On your first point however, what retail locations or public spaces are in fact using Surface, or for that matter a competing derivative ?
In particular, as I'd love to go poke one, where in the Great White North ?
This isn't as a condradiction, but as a genuine curiousity because as mentioned the only large scale deployments have been for a limited time at the AT&T stores.
let me know, very interested. ]]>Mar 18th 2010 7:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 7:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE]]>Mar 18th 2010 7:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 7:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/
http://www.ted.com/talks/jeff_han_demos_his_breakthrough_touchscreen.html

They later spun it off as a for profit company, http://www.perceptivepixel.com/]]>Mar 18th 2010 7:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 19th 2010 8:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 7:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/entelligence-will-surface-ever-surface/Mar 18th 2010 7:17PM