http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 18th 2010 9:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/*Sorry, of course they have been working on it. I meant releasing their next console soon.]]>Mar 18th 2010 9:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/
Sony may have gotten their game together, but that doesn't mean they own the game now. And with Microsoft, the marketing of Natal is going to make sure the 360 is going to be around for much longer.]]>Mar 18th 2010 9:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/
I'd be happier if they just got this one right, I enjoy XBL but games usually look alot better on my PS3. I still play xbox more however.]]>Mar 18th 2010 9:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 18th 2010 9:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Yes, Microsoft needs to work out the many bugs Natal has and come up with a good advertising campaign. From what we've seen with this Playstation Move AD http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/17/playstation-move-ad-pulls-no-motion-controlled-punches-against-w/ and the fact that the Kevin Butler ads are actually interesting to most people, Microsoft will need some pretty good advertising.
I hope in the end all the products are successful and push motion-gaming through competition to be better than the crap it is today.]]>Mar 18th 2010 9:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Their using Natal as an extension to keep their current counsel alive longer. They still think they can keep the 360 alive longer.]]>Mar 18th 2010 9:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 18th 2010 9:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/i dont think it will happen again.]]>Mar 18th 2010 10:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 18th 2010 10:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/
Its generally accepted that this generation is going to be around a decent bit longer. I'm sure it won't last much longer than 8, but I've heard estimates that put this generation lasting ten years. I think a 10 year lifespan is HIGHLY unlikely, though 8 and maybe even 9 is possible, if not probable.]]>Mar 18th 2010 10:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 18th 2010 11:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/A BR drive would be a nice addition, but until PCs require one, it has absolutely no weight in the graphics department.]]>Mar 19th 2010 2:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/
What makes it impractical? You put one disc in play for XX hours, put the next in...

And as for as disc storage vs graphics is concerned, I honestly do think that we won't see much more graphically out of the 360. Have the limits been pushed? Probably not, but I haven't seen a game recently that really wow'd me.

And as you've said, most multi-platform games are ported to the PS3.]]>Mar 20th 2010 2:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/buying a 200$ add-on for a old console will not do that]]>Jun 14th 2010 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 18th 2010 9:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/
AND, they need to do something about that ungodly LOUD DVD-DRIVE. Or is their no escaping the lawnmower like spin ups? ]]>Mar 18th 2010 9:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/You can get the Wi-Fi N Adapter on Amazon for $50 and other places online for that amount too.]]>Mar 18th 2010 9:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 18th 2010 9:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 18th 2010 9:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/
ds=wifi
psp=wifi
ps3=wifi
wii=wifi
360=wifi addon

yes,its obvious that ms is taking for fools some ppl...]]>Mar 18th 2010 10:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/
Not me. ;)]]>Mar 18th 2010 10:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/The Wii has WiFi, and if you want LAN it costs you a whopping $20!

MS's lack of WiFi shows their lack of vision.]]>Mar 18th 2010 11:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/
Speaking of the DVD drive, as the internal connectors are SATA, maybe Blu-ray isn't completely out of the picture... sure would be nice.]]>Mar 18th 2010 11:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 18th 2010 11:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/
Eh, wifi is susceptible to interference from microwaves and cordless phones. Maybe part of the reason Xbox Live is so much more successful than the competition is because there are so many more people on their service using wired connections. The more people who use wi-fi with Xbox Live the worse experience I will have playing online even if I'm using a wired connection, so I'm kind of glad they haven't made wifi standard at this point.

I have a 35Mb/s FiOS connection and with the router that Verizon makes you use I only get 20Mb/s over wi-fi as opposed to 35Mb with a wired connection. The router also disconnects half the time someone uses the cordless phone. Wi-fi hurts online gaming overall. Don't get me wrong it works, but it is inferior to wired connectivity. Pushing people towards using a wired connection is probably to Xbox Live's benefit. I'm not saying that's why MS doesn't include wi-fi, but there is definitely an up side to them not including wi-fi.]]>Mar 19th 2010 1:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/I haven't heard of any unusual complaints of not being able to connect to PSN. And even if there were, Sony probably has a network utility to check internet access. It would probably also mention to try a wired connection.]]>Mar 19th 2010 3:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/
All you have is crappy hardware there... I was early adaptor of Wi-Fi and never had any problems with it. Have used it with all my phones, computers and even had some had calls :P]]>Mar 19th 2010 3:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/1) The previous motherboard used a SATA connector for the DVD Drive.
2) Why would a SATA port indicate Blu-Ray? BD Drives come in IDE or SATA.
3) Expect your Xbox to cost $600 with BD included...]]>Mar 19th 2010 3:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 19th 2010 4:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/The DS and PSP are hand-held devices, they don't entirely count when you're talking about a console that will largely be kept in one spot for its entire life-span.

I think I see Foxconn on the "Standard rear USB/Ethernet port"; I'm hoping that it's at least Gb Ethernet, I was dreaming of port-channel enabled dual Gb Ethernet. Maybe the taller "Not sure" is a 4 USB port stack, and the smaller is a proprietary Natal hookup a-la Nintendo's IR hookup? I am happy that it looks like optical audio is on-board, though.]]>Mar 19th 2010 10:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/You can get a BR drive from Newegg for $55. I'm sure there will be some licensing to use it at some point, but I can't see that causing a $600 360.]]>Mar 19th 2010 2:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 20th 2010 6:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/
Thermaltake all the way! :P]]>Mar 18th 2010 9:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 18th 2010 9:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 18th 2010 10:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 18th 2010 9:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 19th 2010 12:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/
My bro's xbox on the other hand.... ]]>Jun 14th 2010 2:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 18th 2010 9:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/
yea, that wouldn't increase the price at all... ./sarcasm


Anyways i'm looking forward to see what the new 360 will look like.. ]]>Mar 18th 2010 9:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 18th 2010 9:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/I actually had a water cooling 360 I made (everything was housed together, so no separate unit), sold it on ebay for $120 [=]]>Mar 18th 2010 9:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/
Riiiight... yeah, a water cooler is going to be only a little higher than a simple heatsink and fan. Keep dreaming.

There is a reason that watercooling is almost exclusively the realm of individual modders only, and not actually mass-produced on mainstream systems.

If MS is using a smaller nm chip process, the heat produced should be dramatically lower than the original design. Barring some major fubar, heat should not be a problem with this new design at all.
(key words in that sentence are "SHOULD NOT" but we all know that things can get screwed up along the way)]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 19th 2010 1:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/-Built-in TOS link optical audio out. That's nice.

I'm hoping for a built-in wifi, and gigabit ethernet, and maybe bundle in an HDMI cable. I mean come on, if MS wants to force users of older 360s (especially those with only 20GB drive) to buy a new one, make it worthwhile.]]>Mar 18th 2010 9:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/
just because it's labeled an "internal hard drive" doesn't mean that it can't be like the PS3 hard drive and have a door accessible from the outside which will allow you to upgrade if needed.]]>Mar 18th 2010 10:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/Mar 18th 2010 10:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/
Then again, MS does seem to be dumping the memory sticks (effectively screwing everyone who uses them now), so why not do it with the HDs too? ]]>Mar 18th 2010 10:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/leaked-xbox-360-valhalla-motherboard-analyzed-by-ben-heck/
I've heard a few people complaining about this, but I don't know why. With the upcoming update that includes support for USB drives, you can just use a USB stick in place of the memory units.

I use a Memory Unit all the time so I can take my GamerTag to other people's houses. I don't see any problem transferring my GT from the MU to a USB stick. Then I'll be able to use my GT on both older models and the new slims.
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