http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 18th 2010 2:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/
ya, but that is soooo 1996]]>Mar 18th 2010 2:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/I will probably be using these Flash-free versions of the websites on my PC. Adobe, wasting CPU time since 1996]]>Mar 18th 2010 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Well said. Long gone are the days of making a website for every browser \ device. It's companies like Apple who are pushing us all BACK in to the "dark ages" with their arbitrary restrictions.]]>Mar 18th 2010 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/I meant in the sense of graceful degradation. If Flash is not detected, it would display static content in place of the flash area, either relevant text, or an image saying "We have detected that you do not have the Flash Player installed." Just, SOMETHING instead of a broken plug-in icon.

Building two separate instances (Flash/non-Flash), you're right, that's late 90s and I dare not ever go back to that realm.]]>Mar 18th 2010 2:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 18th 2010 2:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 18th 2010 3:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 18th 2010 3:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/
Graceful degredation is something that NPR/PBS specifically haven't been doing. They would be my poster children for websites that use Flash for no good reason for basic navigation who leave you in the lurch. As long as these new non-flash pages are not ipad/ipod specific then I'm all for it.]]>Mar 18th 2010 3:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Use your precious "CPU time" to find where the planet Pandora is in our solar system.
Seriously, you buy a core2quad or a core i7 and say my CPU time is wasted ? What generation are you in ? Jurassic ? Go get a Pentium II and be happy with the plain ol' HTML web on your internet explorer. Hardware progresses happen for a reason. ]]>Mar 18th 2010 3:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/
Actually iPad displays the full verisons of websites...can you imagine how silly that would look to use a mobile version on a 10" screen??? Ridiculous.

iPad Safari is completely different from the iPhone version. Remember iPad OS is NOT the iPhone OS, it is built on the same background, but all the base apps are new.]]>Mar 18th 2010 3:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 18th 2010 4:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 18th 2010 4:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/
Uh, yeah. And you didn't know that? Wow.]]>Mar 18th 2010 4:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 18th 2010 5:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 18th 2010 5:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/
drop down your Pentium 4. i watch 1080p at 1920x1200 res flash trailers and the CPU only uses 76% of its maximum and it's only a dual core 2GHz inside a 2 year old insprion 1720]]>Mar 18th 2010 7:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/that's great any all, but having high-end hardware doesn't justify supporting flash, you can do the same in half the CPU power or less with Stage6 for example]]>Mar 18th 2010 10:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/It just occurred to me that could Apple be meaning to abandon non-standard web components instead of simply picking on Adobe? They'll probably support QT (don't know if it's a standard), but they won't support anything else, including WMV, some obscure plug-in that allows me to view objects in 3D, etc. Correct me if I'm wrong, but embedded WMV doesn't play in Chrome. There appear to also be banking sites that only support IE.

The conclusion? The web is a mess, and somebody needs to step up and make a statement. The problem is more than Flash.

Alternatively, Apple could be planning to sell you a dongle that you plug into your iDevice in order to view Flash. The dongle has its own processor, RAM, so you don't suffer from drop in performance. It will cost you a measly $29 including tax and shipping.]]>Mar 19th 2010 12:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 18th 2010 2:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/mr scrooge ]]>Mar 18th 2010 2:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/glad to know u are not bending over for Steve.
im disgusted NPR would.]]>Mar 18th 2010 8:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 19th 2010 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 18th 2010 2:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/
No. First order first serve.]]>Mar 18th 2010 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/I ordered my ipad with case, camera kit and the extra adapter on Saturday and called to verify that none of the shipping dates had changed and was told no. Everything was shipping according to the dates I was given on Saturday]]>Mar 18th 2010 2:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/
You confuse me. Sometimes you make sense and sound reasonable, and other times you spout this strange "Apple Hater" nonsense. I think you still don't understand why some people usually prefer Windows/Android/WebOS/Symbian/whatever over Apple.

Look, a lot of people (including me) have a list of features/functions that they want on any given device. I know that not everyone does that, but a lot of people do. When Apple comes out with a new product that doesn't have a lot of those features that some people want, they don't buy it. But wait! There's more! When Windows (or WP7S) comes out without the features they are looking for, those particular people don't buy Windows either! So are they Windows Haters as well?

This is my bet. I'll bet you that a lot of people that don't like the iPad own Apple products- Apple products that they LIKE. I'll bet you that a lot of people that own PCs also own PS3s, because they LIKE some Windows products, and DON'T LIKE others (like perhaps the X-Box). Are you starting to understand how some people buy their products? For example, I do not own a single Apple product. Does that make me a big, bad, scary Apple Hater? No, it means that, so far, Apple has not made a product that I think is worth parting my money for. That's it! Nothing magical about it! I also don't own any Android-equipped products, or a smartphone, or a gaming console for the same exact reason. No hate necessary!

Anyway, put aside this strange persona who sees "Apple Haters" everywhere, and just be normal. Please?

]]>Mar 18th 2010 4:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/
You sound like a reasonable person, but you are not who Mack was referring to. I like to think I'm a reasonable person too. I use Windows, and I'm not fond of Macs in their current incarnation, but I can not *stand* Apple haters. They're worse than fanboys. But I'll be fair and say that both groups are relics. They're extremists whose opinions dominate message boards but carry little weight in the real world.

Having said that, I think it's fair to say Mack makes a good point. Sucks to be a hater right now. ]]>Mar 18th 2010 6:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/No disrespect, but by "Apple haters", I don't think he's referring to the reasonable majority who simply don't buy, but the vocal minority who keep dissing devices they probably have no interest in in the first place. Not just Apple haters, but other haters are annoying too.]]>Mar 19th 2010 12:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 18th 2010 2:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/You mean due to apple's importance.]]>Mar 18th 2010 2:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/
No, arrogance.

Now where are all of the people that shout and scream whenever Microsoft does something with IE that makes them have to bend over backwards to accommodate them?

How about the internet stop acting like a thing to be pulled and pushed to accommodate some companies product, and actually force them to fit their products to it so that it stays universally accessible?
]]>Mar 18th 2010 2:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/
more like arrogance and importance]]>Mar 18th 2010 2:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 18th 2010 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/
Ehhh, fanboy would trust anything Apple said to be true and good. HTML5 can't replace interactive website. People are just numb when it comes to real technology.]]>Mar 18th 2010 2:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 18th 2010 2:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/
Yes, they are the most important toy maker in the world.]]>Mar 18th 2010 2:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/
..aren't all websites interactive? ;0)

Actually there isn't really anything in flash that you can't do with HTML5, I don't think many people realise what it's capable of yet.

I use Adobe software every day at work, but I will be very happy when they loose their stranglehold on the internet and creative apps in general. ]]>Mar 18th 2010 2:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 18th 2010 2:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/You mean Apple should not promote an open standard against a proprietary solution?

It is not arrogance, it is self-confidence.
]]>Mar 18th 2010 2:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/
If you only knew what you are talking about. Flash is not a technology of a future, HTML5 is superior. Most of people like you leave pointless comments without doing their research.

Flash crashes many browsers, it uses battery life quickly, burdens CPU and Apple knows that and refuses to use it. That is not going backwards, instead its moving forward towards superior technologies.]]>Mar 18th 2010 3:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 18th 2010 3:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/hmmm the standard is not yet fully defined
it is still in the "last call" state.
changes can still happen.

also, for video, nothing has been defined as the Default.
H.264 as promoted by Apple is patented and will require a license.
so check out your info before you give us a "apple promoting an open standard against propietary ones"]]>Mar 18th 2010 3:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/
"How about the internet stop acting like a thing to be pulled and pushed to accommodate some companies product (Adobe Flash), and actually force them to fit their products to it so that it stays universally accessible? (HTML 5)"

agreed.]]>Mar 18th 2010 3:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 18th 2010 3:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/
And? The standard is not finalized yet: does it prevent it from being a standard? Do you know that all major browsers are already embracing HTML5? Even Microsoft with IE9!

You are true about the codec: it is not part of the standard. The alternative to H.264 is Ogg Theora if I'm not wrong. Apple is pushing H.264 and Google has already chosen H.264 for YouTubes. I don't know all the details, but H.264 is license free for the end user and there are many open points concerning licensing Ogg Theora as well An H.264 seems superior from a technical point of view.

Anyway: Apple has to choose as Google and they both choose H.264. What is the problem? What should Apple had done?

And Flash is definitively proprietary.

What is exactly your point then? ]]>Mar 18th 2010 3:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 18th 2010 5:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/
Nope. I bet that unlike you, LAY isn't a blind fanboy and/or hater.

The fact that Apple is ignoring a widely used codec and supporting a still developing codec tells me one thing about Apple: screw the user, we'll do what we want.

Better yet, people seem to like it. Whatever. I don't. Neither does LAY. Fine. I don't care what you do with your money. But what I can't stand is your smug little attitude. I don't hate Apple. I hate YOU and your "Apple is the best!" attitude.

The (unconfirmed?) fact that the iPad is selling well only means that there is now more competition. Yay for the end user!

This is why I currently have Android. Open platform, all the features I want, and nobody telling me what I can't have.

As many others have said to you, you seem to confuse Apple haters with mere technology lovers. They criticize Apple because they don't have the features they want, and you automatically assume they hate Apple and love Microsoft. Then they go on to criticize Windows Phone 7, and suddenly your little mind explodes.]]>Mar 18th 2010 7:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/
God LAY I just have to admit that this backlash against you is so delicious and well earned on your part.

You Apple Hater you. Now everyone sees you for the hypocritcal jerk that you are.

Flash is a hot mess and so are you. The world will be better off once we're rid of the holier than thous like you and the rest of the Apple haters club.]]>Mar 18th 2010 8:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/npr-and-wsj-building-flash-free-pages-for-ipad-apple-quietly/Mar 18th 2010 8:27PM