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http://zomgitscj.com :P

had to link that , it looks so similar :P]]>Mar 18th 2010 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 1:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
I'm tired of coming to this website and seeing pictures of glowing dildos. ]]>Mar 18th 2010 4:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 10:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 10:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
Damn that's even than Natal 100ms...]]>Mar 18th 2010 10:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Meh. I remember playing Quake online with 150ms pings just fine.]]>Mar 18th 2010 11:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 11:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/I'd love for you to explain this, so I could wrap my fragile little mind around it. From what I can tell, the Wii and Move both use a two piece control system with a wand style controller in your main hand that can track it's position via use of a camera, and a analog style controller in the off hand for movement and extra buttons.]]>Mar 18th 2010 11:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
Why must you be so insulting? So what if they use different technologies. They both do the same exact thing: Control games.

If I can use the move controller in CoD4 then I would want to know what the lag is for pulling the trigger on both machines. Is that so hard for you to wrap your gargantuan cotton filled melon around?]]>Mar 18th 2010 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Maybe he was referring to more technical differences, but I see the difference as just the level of gaming. The PS3 is a gamer's gaming system, with a high price tag and high quality components, which means that people will expect a very high quality gaming experience with the PS3. The Wii on the other hand is much less expensive and aimed at a different demographic, therefore it's not expected to have as high a quality experience.]]>Mar 18th 2010 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
According to Eurogamer, mentioned within that same article, they explain that their same methodology resulted in a 200ms lag for the Natal.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digital-foundry-vs-project-natal-article

Regardless, clearly both Move and Natal have time to improve lag before its released later this year.]]>Mar 18th 2010 12:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 12:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
So a regular PS3 controller is similar enough to Move that they can compare the lag (as stated in the article), but the Wii controller and move are not similar enough, partially (in your view) because one has a camera and the other doesn't??

As someone else said, they both control video games; they do not have to be similar for someone to calculate how much lag there is between inputting a command into the controller and the results of that command showing up on the screen.]]>Mar 18th 2010 12:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
And herein lies your problem. Making claims about things being so radically different, when you have no clue about the technology behind one of them. The Wii remote works because it has a camera built into it. Also; really, you're going to lead with the 5 year olds and geriatrics remark that has been beat to death already. If it wasn't for the Wii and its motion controls that have (sales-wise) performed so well, there would be no Move. Period.]]>Mar 18th 2010 12:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 12:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/that's a high horse you're sitting on 25i, yet out of everyone, it appears you know the least on the topic. The difference in technologies is irrelevant, the input method is the same and that makes it a fair test.]]>Mar 18th 2010 3:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 10:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 11:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
What is suprising is that the lag on the DS3 is that bad. Why do people buy into THAT?!?!]]>Mar 18th 2010 12:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 10:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
The frame-rate will be the same at 720 i guess. So nvm.



Yay lag!]]>Mar 18th 2010 10:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
both the Zi6 and Zi8 have almost exactly the same features, but the Zi6 is 3x times cheaper]]>Mar 18th 2010 11:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
lawls. Not at all

Zi8 records in 1080p at 30fps and 720p at 60fps. It also has an external mic jack, E.I.S., and a rechargeable battery. To name a few differences

And for your three times cheaper argument, there is only $70 difference MSRP between them

Next time, try not telling what Kodak products do and don't do to a Kodak employee. lol]]>Mar 18th 2010 11:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
I love how Sony was marketing this for first person shooters (See their latest ad) 113ms in a FPS is the difference between life and death....In the game at least.]]>Mar 18th 2010 10:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
What multiplayer game would 113ms of lag be the difference between life and death when everyone has the same 113ms lag?]]>Mar 18th 2010 10:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 10:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
You probably shouldn't let too many people know about your freakishly fast skills, or some men in dark suits with sunglasses may show up at your door, then take you to some me in white coats who will throw you in a lab to test your superhuman reflexes out. And probably dissect you. Alive, is possible.

I'm just sayin...]]>Mar 18th 2010 11:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
So would Halo 3 qualify as an FPS? Just asking since in the Gamasutra article it has a lag of 113-167ms. Not that the comparison of a highly polished FPS held up as the pinnacle of FPSs by many to an essentially beta game is relevant or anything... ]]>Mar 18th 2010 11:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 11:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
You haven't played any modern shooters, have you?]]>Mar 18th 2010 12:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
So you're telling ME no one will notice 100ms of added lag?

Have you ever played a first person shooter other than halo? Any FPS gamer can notice a 100ms difference. Try playing any FPS game on a server where your ping is 100ms. Then try a server that has 200ms ping. There's a huge difference.

If you think ping is different that input lag - You're wrong. You have to send your actions to the server so the server can process what you're doing (No, not everything is done on your computer/console), And that is considered input lag.]]>Mar 18th 2010 1:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
You arent getting it. The DS3, a regular PS3 controller, frequently has over 100ms of lag as well so get over it.]]>Mar 18th 2010 4:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
Thank you. That was my math as well.]]>Mar 18th 2010 11:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 11:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 10:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 11:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
the obvious answer is for sony to supply a time travelling delorean, to accelerate ourselves 113ms into the past so the lag is eliminated. problem solved ;)]]>Mar 18th 2010 10:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/.
Thats at least what I blame when I fail at Wipeout HD.

]]>Mar 18th 2010 10:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 10:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
DAMN YOU ENGADGET!!!!

LMAO]]>Mar 18th 2010 10:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 10:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/Mar 18th 2010 11:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
Question 1

Are we sure the camera captures at a constant or is there a possibility of delay and catchup ?

Question 2

If the camera captures at 1 frame per 16.7ms then any result can only really be a multiple of that ?

While this is perhaps a good way to measure lag it is not an accurate way to measure it.]]>Mar 18th 2010 11:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
The GT test, hmm, so what's the lag in a real world car, or in pulling a trigger to the gun responding.

I think wii gets away with lagging. I personally can't stand lag in multi-human-player but if it's human vs comp well the comp is suffering along with u so it balances out.

It seems equivalent to the olden days when copping it in the one pixel of toe would kill you off and one would swear a bloody doom down on the game.

How's about ye olde seperate chip handling controller input with a dedicated path to the business end. N I thought the whole multicore cell chip thing was so stuff could dedicate and hive? ]]>Mar 18th 2010 11:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/18/playstation-move-controller-lag-detected-analyzed/
So basically 113ms is input lag + processing time + output lag.

Unfortunately, the processing time varies greatly by game and the output lag varies greatly by what TV and such you have the system connected to.

This person who took this had no way to figure out how much is processing time and how much is output lag, so has no way to subtract them off and calculate the actual controller lag.

So this figure is really only valid for this one setup and should only be compared against other measurements taken on this game and on this setup (display). Yet many people don't understand this and are trying to compare it to ping times or frame rates in Modern Warfare or such. In short, chill out guys until we have a figure we really can do some comparisons with.]]>Mar 18th 2010 11:28AM