http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 6:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 6:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 6:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 6:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
I do not understand why it would be so difficult to implement C&P OS-wide. I use copy and paste on my Palm Pre all the time; I don't know what I would do without it, really.]]>Mar 19th 2010 6:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 6:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
What they are talking about is single touch capability, like if you touch a number in an email, it launches the dialer and dials the number for you.

You know. Exactly like the iPhone did.]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
Have you ever coded a textbox from ground up? That is, not just putting an box in your HTML, nor just dragging a textbox control over from the Visual Studio toolbar to the XAML. And if you can still follow me, what I meant is, to code a textbox from ground up including but not limited to:

- locating user's finger position
- decide the area and sensitivity of the rectangle for which text will be input
- trigger keyboard (animation, resize window correctly, system hooks, etc)
- lay out keyboard in a sensible manner
- finetune keyboard sensitivity
- intelligently detect user's words according to dictionary
- display text that is detected from the keyboard control
- display cursor in the correct position
- remember cursor position and insert text into the string where the cursor is
- remember the string that is input and send to other controls accordingly

Before you can code this whole thing in assembly in DOS, you don't really have the right to say it's "easy".]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
not initally =/= no]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
I will agree that C/P probably isn't the easiest thing in the world to do, however ... this is Microsoft. They've been around for awhile. They should know how people felt about not having Cut and Paste on the iPhone so that they wouldn't leave it out with their software.

Is it the biggest deal in the world? No. Could they add that in for a future update. Probably. I copy and paste links all the time to people, so having this not there is kinda weird.

It's just surprising that it wasn't included from the start. It's as if they left out the R in R&D. However, they did change the entire interface from what Phone 7 was going to be, so maybe they are rushing it out and just forgot to include it.]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
You are just completely wrong: the mechanism MS describes for W7 is exactly the same available on the iPhone from the beginning.

MS follows exactly the same path as Apple with the iPhone.

Engadget comments are however quite different... go figure.]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 7:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 7:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 7:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
Hmm... either way I'm sure they will get it working correctly in the end and as a developer can't wait to mess with it.]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Zune -Check!
Xbox - Check!
Office - Check! but need to see more
Awesome Specs - Check!
different hardware - Check!
Copy and Paste - empty (there is one-touch though)
Multitasking - Half a check! (there is smart multi-tasking)
Does iPhone have Zune/Xbox/Office/ Different hardware?]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
This would be real copy and paste, wouldn't it?
]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
iPod - Music player. Same as Zune.
Gaming - One of the more interesting mobile game platforms to come out in years.
Office - Look in the store. There are apps to view/edit Office docs.
Awesome Specs - Check. Their specs are designed around their OS, and vice versa.
Different Hardware - iPod Touch? iPad? iPhone 3GS?
Copy/Paste - More than Windows Phone 7 Series will have at launch, seeing as how it has full copy/paste now. And WP7S current implementation is what the iPhone had at launch, too.
Multitasking - Same for both. 3rd party apps still can't run in the background. The stock apps can. ]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 8:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
What I'm judging is all the people here, who bashed Apple for making these decisions 3 years ago, now bending over backwards to justify how it's "different" that Microsoft is doing it. Give me a break.

You non-Apple fanboys are the worst.]]>Mar 19th 2010 8:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
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Either way, the multitasking in WP7S is very different from multitasking on the iPhone. In WP7S, when you leave an application, it continues to run in a suspended state, meaning the scheduler doesn't allow it any time in the CPU and it basically can't do anything. If you return to the app, it recovers its state and continues like nothing happened. IMO, this is clever for both saving battery and performance (less noticeable "loading time" for the app).

In the iPhone, multitasking ONLY works with first-party apps. When you leave a third party application, it is completely closed. If you return to this application, it has to restart from scratch, and recover its saved state if the developer was savvy/attentive enough to add that functionality. ]]>Mar 19th 2010 9:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 9:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
Yes. It can have multitasking. It simply has the option of putting some apps into a stasis mode, or reduced cycle mode, so that they still can function, but won't take up so much processing power. The programmers apps can chose to ignore that mode, thus making them fully functional.

Android does the same.]]>Mar 19th 2010 10:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 10:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
You don't understand because you don't have enough background of it.

- A service needs to be run always listening to all applications.
- All applications need to be able to communicate with that service.
- Data of different kind needs to be converted into specific formats because not every program understands all the formats. (eg. an example an image in different programs, html, audio etc.)
- Data is transferred to clipboard service and clipboard service keeps it in a separate memory (which can grow huge).
- By pasting the data in another program , data is transferred from clipboard to that program possibly with more conversions.

Now clipboard enabling all applications and running that clipboard service puts a lot of burden on the CPU and battery. If 1% of people use copy/paste then it is not wise to tax every WP7 user on their efficiency to provide that feature.]]>Mar 19th 2010 10:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://bit.ly/windows-phone-7-reactions-examined]]>Mar 20th 2010 6:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 20th 2010 10:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
I like how they are doing single touches to make it easier, but I hate that they are taking away choice.

They should've given option when you highlight words or phrases, it asks the user if they want to copy or to go straight to search,dial pad etc.

]]>Mar 20th 2010 6:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 6:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
I agree - it strongly implies that they included the "unlockable" stuff intentionally, knowing that folks would try to hack it. This is slightly out of character for Microsoft, but I like it.]]>Mar 19th 2010 6:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
I think we all underestimate just how advanced copy and paste really is…*


*hint of sarcasm]]>Mar 19th 2010 11:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 6:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 7:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 8:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 8:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
You're aware that since the iPhone had the same contextual tap thing from DAY ONE that MS is describing here, a lot of iPhone users said pretty much the same thing as you're saying right now?

iPhone users have ALWAYS had the ability to tap a phone number and have the phone dial it, or add it to the address book. iPhone users have ALWAYS had the ability to tap an address and have it open in Google Maps. We knew from the start that because of these features, that copy and paste was NOT as important as all the whiny Apple haters wanted it to be.

And now look at the hilarious backpedaling the same Apple haters are doing. "Oh on second thought, we don't think C&P is that important after all."

LOL. Just fucking LOL. I'm just saying.]]>Mar 20th 2010 12:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/How bout when you want to save an address as a contact instead of plotting it on the map?? Will that be an option? How bout when you want to send someone a phone number in a text instead of calling or texting that number? How bout rewording a text message?

There are countless numbers of things cut and paste is useful for that I highly doubt will be available from their hyperlinks. They should just stop trying to get fancy and give the people what they want.]]>Mar 20th 2010 9:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 6:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 6:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
"...we're always listening to feedback and will continue to improve our feature set over time based on what we hear."

I want copy/paste functionality for those times when it will be the most convenient solution.

CAN YOU FREAKING HEAR ME NOW?]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 6:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 6:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
Personally, I think having both is the best solution.]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Ditto. Rest assured Microsoft will implement it system-wide. Seems that the ground-up rewrite of WP7 is taking all of the available resources and they've made a bunch of compromises. Personally, I would rather they'd put a bit more focus on editability than some of the more superficial flashier features.

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I've not seen the iPhone recognize addresses in webpages.

Phone numbers, yes. But not addresses.]]>Mar 19th 2010 8:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 6:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/Mar 19th 2010 6:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/
So really, our fears of 7's copy and paste situation is just us expecting the worst from Microsoft. We have been let down so often, that we rush to conclusions.

I think this new system will work. But I'll reserve judgment from any features until I buy one. And buy one I will, that is certain.]]>Mar 19th 2010 6:54PM