http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/ Engadget Comments for Palm: this is your survival guide http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/Mar 19th 2010 5:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/Mar 19th 2010 5:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/Mar 19th 2010 5:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
I laughed at that more than I should have. I now feel rather juvenile. :(]]>Mar 19th 2010 5:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
http://instantrimshot.com/]]>Mar 19th 2010 5:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
LOL!]]>Mar 19th 2010 5:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/Mar 19th 2010 5:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
Engadget always seems to know exactly what Palm should be doing. I mean, the hubris of...what is this now, E's second Palm manifesto? ]]>Mar 19th 2010 5:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
/sucker for a underdog plus I like WebOs just not the hardware.]]>Mar 19th 2010 5:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
You mean post postmortem. ]]>Mar 19th 2010 5:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
Which is not to say I disagree :)]]>Mar 19th 2010 5:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
Has anyone seen this palm ad?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1OHlFOee2w

it appears to have come out a few days ago. Maybe I'm late on this one, but I didn't see it mentioned in this post.

maybe this is a step in the right direction (ad-wise)]]>Mar 19th 2010 5:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
As a Pre owner, I still can't be mad at Josh. Palm made many mistakes along the way. All companies do, but with as much at stake as it was for Palm, they needed to play a nearly perfect game to gain mind/market share. They have not succeeded YET, but I still believe in this little company and await their next product to see where they go (I LOVE my Pre, by the way).]]>Mar 19th 2010 5:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
That was a speedy delivery.]]>Mar 19th 2010 5:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/We need MOAR PHONE!!!11!!1
That ad looked like it should be for WP7S.
The 'Droid Does' ads concentrated on what the device 'Does'. The iPhone also. The 'device' is the only thing that matters in both of those ad campaigns, and Palm should be the same.]]>Mar 19th 2010 5:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/Mar 19th 2010 5:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
Agreed, I cringe every time I see a "Droid Does" commercial now, because the Pre can do it to! And more!. Not only the ads, but my office mates keep trying to show me everything their "Droid Does", that I could do with my Pre 6 months ago, and yet they had no idea the Pre could do any of it.

One officemate just this week tried to show me his new game, his new tethering solution, and a universal search function on his Droid. I pulled out my Pre, one-upped every single thing he did on the Droid (including firing up mobile hotspot and letting him browse the web using his wifi through my phone), and he was amazed. He wished he had known about what the Pre could do before the Droid came out, but Palm hasn't really told most people, outside of the techie/gadget circles like Engadget.
]]>Mar 19th 2010 6:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
it was mentioned, its the link where they said 'your recent' ads and compared it with the new wp7s ad.]]>Mar 19th 2010 6:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/+1
How come we can't get THAT user interface?]]>Mar 19th 2010 6:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
While I do agree with most of what Josh is saying here, I feel like Palm had no choice but to make some of their decisions the way they did because of their size and the hole they were in at the time.

For a small company that was almost going bankrupt, they pulled it together fairly well. WebOS is amazing, and they managed to distribute the Pre to multiple countries on many carriers.

However, maybe that is not enough to survive in this tough and competitive mobile industry. They made too many compromises, but they had to at the time.

Maybe good ideas are just not enough. You need to be Google or Apple to succeed in the game. I hope they get bought by RIM... that will be good for both of them.]]>Mar 19th 2010 6:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
Can't be mad at Josh? Why in the world would you be mad?

I'm a Pre owner and I love WebOS. I also agree 100% on every point with Josh. He hit all the nails on the head. Those are the real problems, and the real solutions.

]]>Mar 19th 2010 6:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
I agree, webos seems pretty promising, too bad it can only run on the pre... Would be another good thing to slap into an HTC phone, or a broader palm phone lineup...]]>Mar 19th 2010 6:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/Mar 19th 2010 8:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/Mar 19th 2010 8:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/Mar 19th 2010 10:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
And I'll say it again: sell the damn thing unlocked already.]]>Mar 19th 2010 10:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
And seriously Palm. You're into the Internet and the social networks right? That's what the Pre was designed for? Well check the facts there:

- Look at all the comments that mention "unlocked GSM Pre" and all get Highest Ranked
- Search on Twitter for "GSM Pre", look at all the people tweeting about it
- Check on PreCentral, that forum is pretty quiet but is mostly populated with either O2 unlockers or people trying to unlock the Telcel units

I don't know what more do you need to prove the unlocked unit will sell. You already have one sale here from me but you need to sell it to me first.

Carriers don't give a flying fuck about you, all they care is their lengthy contracts on their lousy network. Don't expect them to push for you, Look at Bell, they drop the Pre like it's hot when they launch the iPhone and HSPA, only TWO MONTHS after launching the Pre on their dying CDMA network.]]>Mar 19th 2010 11:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
However, I don't think they've got the strength to stand alone... Palm just aren't significant enough any more. If you're a developer, which platform are you going to choose to focus your efforts on? Clearly it's going to be iPhone and Android plus possibly WM7 and Symbian. Not WebOS with its relatively small user base.

In my view, the most important thing they need to do (other than advertise hard - still nobody in the UK seems to recognise my phone) is quite simple. They're based on Linux so there's little reason why they can't integrate the open source Dalvik engine that powers Android's apps and "boom" - they have ability to run all the thousands of Android apps but can sell through their marketplace instead of Google's.

In one easy step they can nullify Android's key advantage over them and suddenly become a prettier, more user-friendly version of it.]]>Mar 19th 2010 11:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
Indeed, go palm.

Also, very very nice article Josh, excellent read.]]>Mar 20th 2010 12:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
This article is so skewed, biased, and hypocritical it's kinda funny. Thanks Engadget. :-)]]>Mar 20th 2010 12:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/Mar 20th 2010 2:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/If only they will listen.... I still have my hopes with this device especially with their web.os upgrades: http://bit.ly/palm-os-ui-view]]>Mar 20th 2010 3:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/Mar 20th 2010 10:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
But Palm isn't Apple. They have no super successful iPod to tie their device to and no cash to heavily advertise like Apple can. The end result is unfortunately not pretty.]]>Mar 20th 2010 10:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/one of the best posts I've read in a long time. WebOS' success isn't just about the device or the UI. Its really about access to services, manufacturing capacity, supply chain, carrier partnerships, and above all, marketing.

I have no idea why any manufacturer is allowing a carrier to control its marketing post-iPhone. The ads for both carriers were booty bad. Carriers should unleash the manufacturer's and allow them to develop their own images, and allow carriers input but not control of that image.

Also, unless Palm develops some compelling services for its range of devices, its just an also ran, piggybacking on services tailored for other platforms. If you're a big MSN service user, why not WinPho7? Big on iTunes? iPhone would be perfect! Google services are great on Android. Ovi is only available on MeeGo and Symbian. What is Palm's specialty? The web? Multitasking? It is all just new ways of doing what everyone else is doing. What will WebOS allow that no one else can provide? So far, nothing outside its UI, which is pretty but nothing revolutionary to sway anyone from Symbian, MeeGo, RIM, Android, or WinPho/WinMo. Palm needs to do more.]]>Mar 20th 2010 1:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/Mar 20th 2010 2:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
Don't release the new Palm on Sprint? Why so much hatred for Sprint?

Palm should be able to build their phones with both types of radios and sell to any of the big 4. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop encouraging Palm to disassociate itself with Sprint, as I've seen you do it since the first engadget show. I don't know what Sprint has done to make you so jaded, but I do know they advertise quite a bit on this site. Maybe you should be a little more grateful.]]>Mar 20th 2010 4:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/Mar 20th 2010 6:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/Mar 20th 2010 7:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
The Rube will be heading back to the beach within 18 months and the dick-head at Elevation partners might need to take a calmative and explain to investors how they burned through hundreds of millions of their money.....

The whacked-out ad campaigns are a function of a phone that had no targeted audience and no compelling reason to exist.

I agree the ad campaigns are terrible but how would you try and advertise this phone? It tried to be the best of iPhone and Blackberry and ended up being better than neither of these devices.

RIM and iPhone have clear benefits and targeted audiences.
Verizon have spent a lot of money on the Driod, and M$ are M$ so WinMo7 has a good chance. PalmOS has no clear benefit or audience and therefore no compelling reason to exist.
]]>Mar 20th 2010 11:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
1. Kill the Pixi
2. Release one more model with same size of Pixi...with out keyboard. Get big screen like 3.5 or 3.8.
3. Two devices ...one with keyboard other without keyboard. Should have same specs in both models. Minimum screen size 3.5

4. Most important is GSM in USA. AT&T is always better for phone companies. Don't go with Verizon or Sprint.

5. Increase the size to 16gb min

6. Get the new product like palm Foleo, turn it as iPad. Palm will come back no.1 again.

Palm is going in right track technically...but marketing team is terrible.]]>Mar 21st 2010 12:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
I can understand that internal reasoning Palm must've had for a lot of their moves. They followed a 1st-Gen iPhone-like path of doing a paper launch almost half a year before it was actually available, releasing it June, and bringing along the SDK and app store along later. But as Engadget pointed out, this was fine 3-4 years ago, before the iPhone and Apple App Store, but you can't do this in the current market with competition coming at you left and right.

I can't stress how important it is for Palm to invest in much better built hardware. I switched to the Pre just a month after launch and in the six month I had it, I went through FOUR Palm Pres. Two had bad screens and two had the audio problem that made the phone think a headset was plugged in. Almost all of them had the slider whobble. Finally in January I had to switch to a different phone and now I have the HTC Hero and while Android is decent, I miss the multitasking gesture-swiping ease of the Pre.

Built like a tank? Come on. I understand the need for a more solid, more durable phone. But changing the beautiful curvy astetics for the harsh sharp lines of the Droid would be a mistake and a turn off. Subsequently, a landscape keyboard may be nice on another model, but the compact portrait slide-out physical keyboard was one of my favorite things about the Pre. Just make sure the easy to read orange numeric colors aren't removed like on the Pre Plus for Verizon. Oh, and please provide an option for an onscreen keyboard (QWERTY AND T9) to type out quick text message responses.

The Touchstone was a brilliant idea and something that needs to be given more attention. Pack in a Touchstone for free in future models. Also develop Touchstone kits for mounting into cars, a desire held by many owners.

The software has issues too. I remember being prompted and forced almost daily to update to some new version I had already updated to.

5 minutes for the phone to boot up? Come on, that's ridiculous.

The WebOS App Store is whack and really needs a major overhaul. Browsing for apps is a painful experience. Redesign it so that people can view screenshots of the app they're interested in. Being able to browse for apps on a computer like the Apple App Store on iTunes would also help tremendously and I believe the inisitive announced during CES to allow websites to create web based WebOS app store front site is a big step in that direction.

A major problem with the Sprint Palm Pre was the hardware limitations that caused the "Too Many Cards Open" errors that made the WebOS experience maddeningly frustrating. A problem that the Pre Plus seems to have addressed with it's extra memory.

Yes, the exclusive partnership with Sprint (along with the disaster of a marketing campaign) hurt the Pre.
But the answer isn't to keep the future WebOS phones away from Sprint.
It's to release get them out, at launch, amongst all carriers.]]>Mar 21st 2010 2:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/Juvenile huh?
Will you call everyone here a big fine woman when they back that ass up?]]>Mar 21st 2010 12:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
I just think Palm needs better hardware and needed to go the Open Source route to really have made some strides in this market. ]]>Mar 22nd 2010 10:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/Mar 19th 2010 5:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/They already know what to do and they have done it before. It's time to make Android versions of the Pre! If you can't beat em...join em. ]]>Mar 19th 2010 6:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
Ive wanted to buy an unlocked Pre in the UK for ages, you just cant get them easily. Forget trying to get the Pixi or plus versions.

Why would Palm reduce the amount of chances to buy the hardware?]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/Mar 19th 2010 8:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/Hey, Hey.. let's not be startin' a flame war here. Android is superior to webOS in as many, or more, ways as webOS is to it.. webOS has the ease of usability and multitasking, but android get's the points for features and integration

mmkay?]]>Mar 19th 2010 8:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/Mar 19th 2010 9:17PM