http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Mar 19th 2010 7:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Mar 19th 2010 7:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/
Did you miss the dozen posts saying WP7S wouldn't have flash at launch?

I'm disappointed about Silverlight though.]]>Mar 19th 2010 8:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/02/06/more-windows-mobile-7-rumors-grab-some-salt/]]>Mar 19th 2010 8:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/I must have because I have no recollection of it. I mainly remmber people nagging about the lack of multitasking and copy&paste all over the comments..hmm, looks like I should may more attention]]>Mar 19th 2010 8:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/
I am seek of engadget insisting wp7's lack of multitasking. This lack is based on engadget's specific definition of multitasking.

Multitask means multiple tasks at a time and that is what WP7 does. It just limits 3rd party applications to a suspend-activate multitasking model while running some OS services in normal (as in PC operating systems) multitasking mode.

Call me unaware and uneducated if you like.

BTW my PhD is in computer science.]]>Mar 19th 2010 8:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/
Good Lord, man! You're starting to sound like Mack Stone and his obnoxious cries of "The iPhone multitasks just fine, just not with 3rd party programs!"

"Suspend state" multitasking is worthless unless there is a way to ignore that push into suspend mode and have the program literally run at the same time in the background. I want to be able to use a GPS app while Pandora is running.]]>Mar 19th 2010 9:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/
I thought I heard someone that Pandora was one of the 'special apps' that would permit multitasking as it would appear under the music hub. I could be wrong but I could have sworn I heard this somewhere.]]>Mar 19th 2010 9:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/
You may want that but you cannot call it lack of multitasking because it is technically a multitasking. ]]>Mar 19th 2010 9:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/
Technically, if you want to be an ass, sure, it's multitasking. However, it's not very useful, unless you plan on only using Microsoft made standard issue apps for the rest of your time owning the device. I'd prefer to have the freedom to have multiple apps that I want to use running at the same time, as on Android.

@Bengal34

Yeah. That'd be nice. I'd prefer it if EVERY app that wanted to be a "special" app could, in fact, be one, and not have it decided by Microsoft.]]>Mar 19th 2010 9:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Mar 19th 2010 10:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Even in 3rd party apps. I tried it out myself on the emulator. See screen-shot http://www.scinotes.org/images/wp7_running_bg_apps.png

Run a app then press the windows key, the app goes into background and keeps running. It might be put into a suspend state depending on how much RAM and system resources are left.
MS just wants to discourage developers from making apps that go into background and hog the resources, they want the developers to use the push-message based apps so that more resources are available to foreground apps.]]>Mar 19th 2010 12:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/
There IS a way for apps to run fully in the background, the developer docs that were leaked talked of multiple processes running and a priority tree.]]>Mar 19th 2010 1:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/ahhh ok, makes sense...Ive been watching all the MIX10 videos, none of the Chanel 9 ones...looks like I need to take apart another day or two to get all those through.. =/]]>Mar 19th 2010 6:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Mar 19th 2010 7:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Mar 19th 2010 7:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Haha agreed! Actually... I had 3 generations of HTC phones - all modded thanks to the wonderful contributors (monkeys) within the xda-developers! They rock! Looking forward to multi-tasking, cut-and-pastable, and ridiculously graphic-rich interface in my next htc w7 phone!]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Mar 19th 2010 7:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/So you're seeing an incomplete list (there's more on the task list that isn't visible) of tasks running on an emulator meant to be used for debugging (so there's some debugging services and the like running too).
And who knows it might be doing some prefetching like Win7 does, releasing RAM when applications really need it but preloading things if there's unused resources.]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/This screenshot reminds me why I got rid of my WinMo phone after 2 weeks and went back to a Samsung dumbphone that could at least make calls and not hang constantly.]]>Mar 19th 2010 12:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Mar 19th 2010 7:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Mar 19th 2010 7:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Mar 19th 2010 7:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Mar 19th 2010 7:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/
http://www.istartedsomething.com/20100318/windows-phone-7-series-will-have-copy-paste-eventually/]]>Mar 19th 2010 9:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Mar 19th 2010 10:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Mar 19th 2010 7:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Mar 19th 2010 7:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/^^ this

The iPhone SDK is also full of private frameworks and API's that allow all kinds of neat stuff like multitasking, wifi scanning, actually anything the hardware can handle. It's not that Apple themselves or developers of Cydia applications use a different 'secret' SDK or anything. Only problem with such private API's is that they are mostly undocumented, subject to change, might not work on all models, and, last but not least: they will have your application revoked from the marketplace if you use them (which can be easily detected).

I'd wager that Microsoft will also restrict access to private API's and functions for marketplace applications.]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Finally, someone who gets it.... +1]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/
"I'd wager that Microsoft will also restrict access to private API's and functions for marketplace applications."

I wouldn't take that bet.

The real question is, will MS call people who "jailbreak" their WP7S phones terrorists?]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Indeed, Microsoft will probably only allow usage of managed code (.NET in this case), and there won't be managed APIs for things they don't want you to do. Then they just have to disable P/Invokes to make sure you're not accessing non-managed dll's, and they're fine.
Perhaps later on they'll release some native development kit (if .NET performance is lacking seriously), and screen your API usage like Apple does.]]>Mar 19th 2010 8:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/
Trust me, they're not allowing jailbroken apps.]]>Mar 19th 2010 8:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/
They have never said it didn't have multi-tasking.. It is a multi-tasking OS. What they did say is that they will "not allow third party applications" to run in the background except in specialized cases.

And yes, the iphone OS is multi-tasking as well.

Locking down the resources to third party applications is not an attempt to make you all cry, they are trying to make their phones function well : )]]>Mar 19th 2010 8:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/
(besides getting OpenGL to use the hardware in the original HTC Touch/Vogue, anyways)
]]>Mar 19th 2010 9:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/
So yes, this .bin can be modded and flashed to a real device. That is, you just need drivers (and possibly disabled 'emulator' flag).]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Mar 19th 2010 7:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/"guys, it's WinCE6 underneath"

"Update: The dll's seem to be ARM too, and the subsystem is definitely CE7.0."]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Mar 19th 2010 7:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/
Based on the level of both technical knowledge, and common sense displayed in some of the comments recently, I'd say that's exactly what a portion of the readership thinks.]]>Mar 19th 2010 7:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Mar 19th 2010 8:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/
Just my two cents.. but copy and paste is dated UI mechanism that does not really fit the mobile platform. I have never written an application with the idea that people would copy and paste to or from it. If they click on a word or highlight a sentence there should be actions that I think they would want to do with it... Maybe it be to translate that text, search that text, mark it as their status, send it as a message.

Or on the other end my application might be setup to tell the os some services I can do based on it's own hotlink actions.

Because third party applications are meant to be sandboxed for the most part it makes more sense from an experience perspective to automate these things instead of forcing the user to close your app and open another one just so they can copy some text into it.

Anyhow that is my view..]]>Mar 19th 2010 8:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/Mar 19th 2010 12:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/-1]]>Mar 19th 2010 1:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/0]]>Mar 20th 2010 8:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/
http://www.techau.tv/blog/10-minutes-with-windows-phone-7-simulator-unlocked-video]]>Mar 19th 2010 8:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/
Is 6.5 a big mess? Oh yes.

-but it's -=MY=- big ol' mess with which to do pretty much as I please.]]>Mar 19th 2010 8:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/windows-phone-7-series-emulator-unlocked-shows-a-few-surprises/I have similar feelings about Symbian.

I'm thinking maybe long term Android might be the best mess/freedom balance (or maybe even S^3/4 is they get their stability/UI act together).

I'm sure WM7/iPhone OS are great if you are happy to do what they let you do (which to be fair is a lot), but that isn't enough for.
+ this feels like a good opportunity to take a viable alternative to Apple and Microsoft's dominance of OSs in general.]]>Mar 19th 2010 12:31PM