http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/ Engadget Comments for Dell looking outside of China for 'safer environments,' according to Indian PM http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Mar 24th 2010 5:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Mar 24th 2010 10:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
No, actually. It isn't.]]>Mar 24th 2010 11:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
CNN: All Indian ISPs and Gateways, brought down by a mysterious blackout!

ChinaDaily.com : Indian infrastructure unreliable according to Western media. China is the safest place to invest!
]]>Mar 24th 2010 1:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/How can a war start over this? It's an American company, they can move their business where ever they want. There is no law stating that a large company has to have factories in China.

I give props to Dell, they are hitting China where it really matters, their wallets. Fuck the Chinese Government.]]>Mar 24th 2010 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Mar 25th 2010 8:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Mar 24th 2010 6:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Mar 24th 2010 7:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
No, because Apple and China have aligning views on control and censorship.
]]>Mar 24th 2010 9:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/I disagree. China is more liberal than CrApple.]]>Mar 24th 2010 9:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
I'm laughing so hard that I cried. Don't know when was the last time that happened. Engadget commenters FTW!]]>Mar 24th 2010 3:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Mar 24th 2010 6:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Mar 24th 2010 7:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Tinto_espionage_case]]>Mar 24th 2010 8:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Mar 24th 2010 10:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
They used to do all that, but it seems like they don't anymore. The nationalism vibe is running strong. Chinese aren't hurrying to bend backwards to receive foreign investments and obtain new jobs anymore, because they figured out that when it comes to manufacturing sector, their foreign partners simply don't have a choice anymore. This is what I get from all the coverage from Economist, Time, Newsweek etc.

Interestingly, Engadget has arrows pointing to Kazakhstan and Russia. Do they really think that these are better alternatives?]]>Mar 24th 2010 11:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Mar 24th 2010 6:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
Everyday we see knockoff´s of iPhones, Playstations, etc. so clearly the Chines manufacturers coulden´t care less about patents, IP´s etc. which in my book is a huge problem.

I think that Google made the right decision to pull out of China. If China is oh so keen on other countries to respect their laws, maybe they should take a long hard look at them selves, and see how they treat their own citizens, not to mention their total destruction of the poor people of Tibet etc.

Good on you Google.]]>Mar 24th 2010 6:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/My thoughts exactly. This whole outsource manufacturing to China is gettin a bit out of hand. Im sure there are other deserving nations who should be given a chance as well.

Also, given their gross human rights violations, brainwashing of citizens by blocking information and ongoing gradual cultural genocide (both Tibetans and Uighurs), China should actually be boycotted.]]>Mar 24th 2010 6:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
This is just about Dell looking to get a cheaper deal. Look what they did in Ireland.]]>Mar 24th 2010 7:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
I totally agree that there is WAY the hell too much outsourcing.

...But replacing a Trade Deficit with China, with a Trade Deficit with India doesn't help the US and it's people.... that's still money flowing in the wrong direction.

We either bring some of that manufacturing back home, or continue to suffer the consequences of a reduced standard of living and high unemployment. Your $200 Chinese-made widget might (OH NOES!1!) have to give way to a $250 US-made version.

The problem is that no company is going to do that on it's own without prodding. Be it through tariffs or other incentives products needs to be made in the US, or continue to ship $250,000,000,000 each year to foreign countries.

I don't know about you guys, but both local towns and neighboring states are hurting for money - I am sure that if there was an extra quarter of a TRILLION DOLLARS injected into our home economies each year we would be in a lot better shape financially.]]>Mar 24th 2010 7:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
All I hope is that it gets diversified so that one country does not get too big for its own shows and ends up dictating terms to the very manufacturers who helped get its economy on track. So, personally, I feel that this step by Dell and Google is right on the money.]]>Mar 24th 2010 8:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/eep.. I meant own shoes.. damn typo..]]>Mar 24th 2010 8:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
Blame Harvard and their BS 40,000/yr.

If it weren't for the crappy Education system in the US, everyone on this board would have a college degree from a great school, and you wouldn't be bitching about China taking all the $2/day jobs.]]>Mar 24th 2010 8:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/"And how is 'bringing manufacturing home' going to improve your standards? Your $200 chinese-made gadget would probably cost $1000 if made in the US. Good luck buying a computer then."

You are seriously questioning how bringing HOME jobs is going to benefit the US. Really? You don't see that unemployment is about 10% and over 20% of the people here are UNDERemployed.

There is NO bigger creator of well-paying jobs than manufacturing. No other type of industry or type of work creates more jobs both directly and indirectly. And yet as a nation we have let those manufacturing jobs - and not so coincidentally our standard of living - get shipped away over the past 2+ decades.

And your claim that a $200 Chinese made good would need to cost $1000 if made here is utter nonsense. There are still a few remaining companies building products here and none of them have even close to the 5-to-1 cost ratio that you claim. A well designed, high-efficiency factory in the US can compete with anyone in the world... within reason. BusinessWeek semi-recently had an article about this, and the cost difference when factoring shipping, longer leadtimes and other issues with outsourcing was I believe less than 20%. ]]>Mar 24th 2010 9:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
I consider Western hardware companies won the battle over that dumb green dam crap, so they actually face an okay business environment than service providers like Google. So far China still provides the best compromise in product price, quality, and availability for hardware manufacturers, and the advantage is only getting bigger. The only good news coming from this story is better price for a Dell computer in the future. ]]>Mar 24th 2010 10:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
You just pointed out one of the biggest problems with outsourcing... you don't JUST lose the widget-maker... you lose his suppliers, and their suppliers and all the way down the food chain. It's not just 1000 jobs at XYZ company that get shipped overseas, but also the 500 jobs at the rubber-maker and the 200 jobs at the plastics company and 300 jobs at the electronics assembler that all supply XYZ components.

No one is implying that we stop outsourcing altogether - it's clearly not possible, nor is it even optimal. Trade in general is a very good thing. The difference is we need FAIR trade with countries like China.

That 30-50% quote you posted is usually not taking into account all the other factors involved in making an item. You can MAKE an item much cheaper in China, but you are completely forgetting that the manufacturing costs are not the only costs involved in producing a good. You are absolutely going to incur fairly large shipping costs to simply get your product to the US. If the product was designed, engineered and built there, then you are almost toast, but if it was designed here, there are tons of overhead in communicating, revising and re-revising changes and stuff back and forth. All that eats into the false notion that China is 100000x cheaper than making the same item in the US. Also note that that article was written 6 years ago - the costs to do business in China has risen as their standard of living has risen, while the costs in the US have for the most part fallen some.]]>Mar 24th 2010 11:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
"they should take a long hard look at them selves..."

"given their gross human rights violations, brainwashing of citizens..."

See Mexico, Nicaragua, Cuba, Panama, Honduras, Hawaii, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan (in the 80s), Iran, Papa and Baby Doc of Haiti, etc.

It's easy to call the kettle black when you're an American (yes, I'm an American). If W. taught us anything, it's that judging a sovereign nation based on the fact that they don't adhere to your own personal world view is a dangerous game to play.]]>Mar 24th 2010 4:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Mar 24th 2010 6:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
Patriotism is overrated.]]>Mar 24th 2010 6:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Mar 24th 2010 6:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Mar 24th 2010 7:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Mar 24th 2010 8:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/I bet the unions would be really happy to work at minimum wage.

See where I'm getting? Cost of living is higher here, and so is the currency. Companies would need to pay more to their employees. Unions take care of that. This increases the product price which then the customer refuses to buy because its more expensive.

We have unemployment because we wont settle for less than what we are used to.]]>Mar 24th 2010 8:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
And no one will buy computers that would be built in the US.

Why are you so opposed to going to College?
Stop trying to compete with the 3rd world for these crappy jobs.]]>Mar 24th 2010 8:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
The Un-Holy-trinity of over-taxation, over-regulation, and over-aggressive unionization are responsible for driving business overseas and keeping it there. I'm not going to say that eliminating (all) federal taxes on investment, research, production, advertising, shipping, storage, etc. etc., and going with say, a consumption tax will fix the issues.
But, at this stage, there is no harm in trying.]]>Mar 24th 2010 10:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
If there was no taxes on imports more manufacturing jobs would go overseas; if a company can exploit a poor county to save a buck they will. Regulations, are why working condition in US plants aren't oppressive as Chinese plants; if you've ever lorded US superiority over Chinese oppressions look as the laws that force companies into humane practices. Take away the union and the manufacturing jobs become minimum wage jobs, many people won't work those and those that are willing are usually accused of coming from Mexico and "Stealing" our jobs.]]>Mar 24th 2010 2:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
Being an Indian myself, I try to avoid any Made in India electronics manufactured by foreign companies. For eg: The phones with the Made by Nokia (Indian plants) have the most complaints as opposed to a Finland manufactured device.

Just my 2 paise. ]]>Mar 24th 2010 6:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
Blame that on manufacturers as well as they want to cut on expenses using cheaper materials. Fabrication process should be same everywhere. ]]>Mar 24th 2010 6:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
Agree, but most companies currently in India want to cut cost further, apart from Government subsidies and what-not, they treat India as a mediocre quality manufacturing hub, with liberal rules ( untreated effluents let off into the previously clean rivers, etc.)

Also, the products manufactured in India are mostly sold in India and African countries where the emphasis is not on Quality but on Quantity ! This low mediocre manufacturing trend among foreign companies in India has to come to an end.]]>Mar 24th 2010 6:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Blame it on consumer who choose the price]]>Mar 25th 2010 2:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Mar 24th 2010 6:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Blasphemy! Apple is not one of your favorite tech companies? ]]>Mar 24th 2010 6:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Mar 24th 2010 7:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
Dell's technical support rocks...at least on the small biz side. Phone, chat or emails even on the weekends; it's all the same, and they're not outsourced.

You cannot find a better deal for a core i7 laptop, refurbished, for under $850, than at Dell's outlet. Most everyone should know by now, Dell's outlet store is the best in discounted prices.

When you open up a Dell desktop/tower, it's all cleanly arranged and adding or replacing stuff is a breeze.]]>Mar 24th 2010 8:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/
Haha! I don't own a single Apple product. I'm Google all the way, including my G1.]]>Mar 24th 2010 8:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Yay indeed. Fuck China. And I say that not as a closed-minded hick, but as a guy who spent over six months in our communist counterpart.]]>Mar 24th 2010 9:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Mar 24th 2010 6:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Mar 26th 2010 1:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/24/dell-looking-outside-of-china-for-safer-environments-accordin/Atleast laws in India are not strict and there is no stupid censorship in India I believe.

If China's hardass stance continues, soon it would be finding itself in trouble. ]]>Mar 24th 2010 6:13AM