http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/ Engadget Comments for CBS testing HTML5 iPad video out in the open, sorry Flash http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Mar 25th 2010 5:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Mar 25th 2010 7:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/
Viva la Revolución!]]>Mar 25th 2010 8:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Mar 25th 2010 10:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Yup, there's no DRM available for HTMl5. Meaning if CBS.com launches such a site, it's going to be huge for piracy sites while will be able to get hi-def video files of tv shows straight from CBS.]]>Mar 25th 2010 11:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/
Yeah, because we all know how hard it is to get an HD version of a popular CBS show (or most shows that I watch) after it's aired...

Oh wait. It's not hard at all. In fact, it's pretty damn easy. And without commercials.

But thanks for the fear-mongering.]]>Mar 25th 2010 11:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Mar 25th 2010 7:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/
The new battle of the browsers is heating up. When is IE9 due out?]]>Mar 25th 2010 5:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Mar 25th 2010 5:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/
And since you don't know much about HTML, WebKit is the engine that is the basis for Safari, Chrome, Konquerer, Blackberry and Nokia's browser.]]>Mar 25th 2010 6:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/
Alternatively every big company will make its own flash/silverlight technology and the enduser will have to download and run 20 different platforms in order to browse the web and view content.

Lets keep it open, support html5 and avoid flash/silverlight, etc.]]>Mar 25th 2010 6:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/
Ritch functionality?
You mean crashes alot.. don't you?

In all seriousness, there's no point in having a platform with an abundance of features, when its sluggish and doesn't work well.

]]>Mar 25th 2010 6:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/
You know that Apple doesn't use an "open" video format. You don't know what you're talking about.]]>Mar 25th 2010 6:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/H264 *is* an open format, not patent-free, but open, as in: anyone can download the specs for free. The fact that it has patent issues is irrelevant for the end-user if Apple, Microsoft, or anyone who wants to provide a codec licenses the technology.

You have no idea what you're talking about]]>Mar 25th 2010 6:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/
It's held under a patent and requires a licence fee for commercial use. Flash is "open" under the same definition you just loosely applied. ]]>Mar 25th 2010 6:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/The same holds for practically every video format and even most image formats, and, as I said, it's irrelevant to end-users, because the licensing fees have already been paid by the vendor. On the free/OSS side this might be a problem, but in practice it isn't, since it is hard to hold 'the community' accountable for patent infringements in free software, patents which aren't even valid in most of the world. Hence no-one bothers sueing ffmpeg or VLC for implementing a zillion patented codecs.

Anyway, you're argument was about the openness of H264. Like I said, H264 _is_ an open specification, you can even buy books that show you how it works up to the last bit of the stream. The fact that it has patents, is as relevant for the application of the file format, as it is for, say, JPEG or MPEG-2. I don't see many people complaining that the whole world standardized on these formats.

And last but not least, I would bet $1000 that a codec like Ogg Theora infringes on multiple patents the authors are not aware of, if you would dissect it to the last bit. It's just that no-one cares because there's no money being made with it.]]>Mar 25th 2010 7:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/]]>Mar 25th 2010 7:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/
Secondly Apple contributes a LOT to the community. They hugely improved KHTML and WebKit is a great engine used by lots of companies. Not to mention all their other open sourced technologies: LLVM, Grand Central Dispatch, Launchd, OpenCL etc.]]>Mar 25th 2010 7:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/
What is the point you're arguing here? I responded to this:

"I love what apple is doing here, trying to get rid of all these propriety technology on the web, and keep it open."

So if, in the context of THAT statement that I was replying to, you can point out why he's right despite admitting there's no difference here then please do so, other wise you're just posturing. ]]>Mar 25th 2010 8:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Don't forget the fact that half of their OS is based on BSD, their compiler (including their LLVM backend and optimizer) are open-source, they use strictly OpenGL and PDF for 3D and GUI rendering (across OS X and iPhone OS), AppleTalk/AFS is an open standard, Bonjour is an open standard, even the iTunes LDAP protocol is fairly open except for the metadata added by iTunes. Even _if_ Apple would hate submitting anything back to the community, they don't even be able to no do so, since they rely so much on GPL-ed code.

I know that somehow people love to shit on Apple around here, but the amount of utter nonsense posing as truth is getting a little sad. If anything, I think Apple is one of the most 'open' commercial software vendors around, they use open-source software and protocols almost everywhere except these parts of their software that generate revenue for them (ie: their iTunes store).

]]>Mar 25th 2010 8:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/"because the licensing fees have already been paid by the vendor" is not true. H.264 requires licensing feeds from vendors and content providers (i.e. everyone posting video on the web). Until the end of 2015 there's no fees for content providers, after that ...

]]>Mar 25th 2010 8:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/The point I'm arguing is that H264 *is* open and it *isn't* proprietary. H264 isn't owned by anyone, it's just what it is: a standardized way of encoding video. The specifications aren't secret, you don't have to pay anyone to learn how the codec works, to play video encoded with it, or even to write you're own codec for it. The only objection you might have against it, is that you need to pay licensing fees to the ITU to use it in a commercial product, and that the ITU patented parts of the standard to be able to enforce these licenses. That doesn't make the format 'proprietary' (in the sense that 1 company controls it) or closed (in the sense that the specifications are not publicly available). The exact same situation holds for MPEG-2, MP3 (which actually is MPEG-2), it held for GIF and ZIP at some point, it holds for JPEG, and so on, and so forth. All open, non-proprietary formats that have not lead to 'a step back' in terms of computing or the internet. And, again, just because no-one bothered to see if Ogg Theora might violate some patent, doesn't mean it's completely free of patent issues. Suppose someone discovered an infringing patent, Ogg Theora would be in exactly the same shape as H264, except that the latter is a much better codec.
]]>Mar 25th 2010 8:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/And because something like JPEG is licensed we need more licensed stuff to the web?
And JPEG isn't really that "dangerous", MPEG LA on the other hand is actively suing everyone they can, just check out their news section. All they do is sue.
Normal people, who know shit about codecs, and just want to post videos to the web shouldn't be worried about licenses. It's techies responsibility to keep the web open.

And why the hell are we replacing proprietary component with proprietary component?]]>Mar 25th 2010 8:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/After that, what? You think the ITU is going to send black choppers to everyone putting an H264 video on their website? And how is Flash going to save the world in that case, seeing that it also uses H264?

Why do people have the impression that the ITU (which is not a commercial entity but a standardization organization) is out to screw everyone over who implements their standard? There's like thousands of standards coming from ITU, and no-one cares, but now that the internet is moving away from a proprietary plugin that is controlled by 1 company and uses the exact same codec for video, all of a sudden standardizing on H264 is a bad thing? ]]>Mar 25th 2010 8:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Also just let me add that video codecs don't invent themselves, you know. MPEG-LA/ITU-TV and the companies involved actually invested boatloads of money inventing all this shit you think is 'evil', and now they want to recuperate some of these investments. If you think that's so terrible because it might add $0.02 to the price of your Windows or OS X license, you should move to North-Korea.]]>Mar 25th 2010 8:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/ITU isn't going after anybody, MPEG LA is. Just check their site.
And who has said anything about Flash? Not me. Web needs to get rid of Flash. H.264 is not going to help at all in the long run (except removing crashing plugins like any other codec), it just replaces one harm with another. Web should be free.

One of the considered file formats when WWW was created was PDF. Luckily, we just managed to avoid PDF based web and choosed HTML. PDF based web would have sucked as much H.264 based web video will suck after 2015.

Luckily, H.264 will not become the standard. Mozilla, Opera and Google won't accept it in the long run.]]>Mar 25th 2010 8:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Comparing silverlight doesn't work IMHO. Microsoft is using silverlight for more than streaming media and webapps, it's their strategy to make it easy to create apps for different platforms easily (Silverlight works on PCs, Macs and Linux - through moonlight, ofcourse - , and on Windows Phones too). It's like .NET, but then for smaller devices and the web.
And frankly, I don't want to loose a thing like .NET or Silverlight until the open standards that are in place are good enough to support creation of all applications I currently use. So until there's a good way to create a DAW that performs adequately in HTML5, closed standards (that might be a wee bit less cross-platform) are the way to go. Sadly.]]>Mar 25th 2010 8:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Aww, you decided to use the North Korea card. I'm not surprised. How about the nazis?
And no thanks, I'm fine here in Finland.

And no one (who is on their right mind) thinks that H.264/the companies behind it is/are evil. It just a frickin codec. H.264 is just very much unnecessary and not welcome addition to web.
You guys do realize that it is you pay the bills? Every MP3-capable device could be cheaper if a tiny friction of the sum you have paid would have been put to the Vorbis development (Okay, nowadays Vorbis is already superior). Likewise Theora/Dirac/VPx would have hardware support in "seconds" if people just had the balls.]]>Mar 25th 2010 8:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/
But let's face it, it won't be successful. H.264 is supported by almost all the leading phones, media players, Blu-Ray, digital camera, video cameras, software etc. It IS a standard already. ]]>Mar 25th 2010 9:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/
http://www.apple.com/opensource/

Some people are clueless. ]]>Mar 25th 2010 9:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/I used North Korea just a a figure of speech ;-). My point was that some serious research and innovation went into H264, not embracing that because it is not as free as it could have been seems stupid, if you would apply that attitude to everything, nothing new would ever be invented.

Also Google already embraced H264, it's really only Mozilla (who should simply stop whining and hook into the OS codecs and be done with it), and Opera having issues with H264. Personally, I'd rather just use the best codec around, which happens to be H264, especially since _it's already in your OS anyway_, so whether or not HTML5 uses it, it will still be on your system. Or do you recode all your videos files to Ogg Theora before you watch them?]]>Mar 25th 2010 9:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Mar 25th 2010 9:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/The future is H.264 plain and simple. As a video professional I work with H.264 all the time. Both in capture and encoding for web. It's being used in capture formats like AVCHD cameras and cameras like the Canon 7D and 5DmkII. YouTube has already gone H.264 a couple of years ago and many other video sites are using h.264 video behind their flash players. On top of that most cell phones and portable media devices come with hardware h.264 decoding these days. Laptop, desktop and netbooks are starting to get these hardware decorders as well.

Open source guys always complain about stuff like this. I heard it with MP3's and now I'm hearing it again with video. But the reality is the ball has already rolled into the h.264 court and it's going to keep going in that direction. Once the popularity of a format hits and it has a lot of hardware support, their ain't no going back.

It should be explained to those that don't know, h.264 is simply a video codec. Flash is just the player used to play the file. When we talk about HTML 5 video we are talking about switching out the players. Switching from flash to a video player that comes built into the browser itself. It's my belief that for a number of years developers will simply be putting in javascript that will detect if someones browser has flash or not and choosing the player type based on that. But no matter the player, H.264 is the new web video codec standard you're going to see everywhere in the next few years as everyone moves away from the On VP6 codec used to create FLV's. ]]>Mar 25th 2010 10:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/
I love these guys who think of themselves as experts. I'm no expert in html5 o flash but I know more than enough to know how wrong you are lol.]]>Mar 25th 2010 12:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/
In regards to your question: "Apple and Open in the same sentence, i challenge you to give me a single incident in which apple gave back to the community"

I give you WebKit. Look at the wikipedia page for background. An Apple driven open source project, used by Apple, Google (in Android), & Palm (in WebOS) among others. Check your facts before making blind declarations.]]>Mar 25th 2010 1:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Mar 25th 2010 5:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Flash has pretty much had its day. HTML5 really is the way forward.

Also, for once I agree with Jobs. Adobe is lazy. They could have made Flash much easier to use and made it broader as a product but they did not. It was their own chopice - RIP.]]>Mar 25th 2010 5:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Then it was just Active-X and pluggins battle; Now the real fragmentation begins. every developer has to have 5-6 different formats and serve them based on which kind of browser made a request and of course playback will now vary.
]]>Mar 25th 2010 6:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/
Also, there were tests showing that Flash doenst actually eat more processing power than HTML5 video tag. What Jobs is trying to do here is to keep their developers tied to their platform by bad mouthing other technologies... It is so his game ;)]]>Mar 25th 2010 6:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Mar 25th 2010 6:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Yeah completely agree, an open, non-proprietary format will be much better for future development. Even right now it is already starting to show its superiority over flash. ]]>Mar 25th 2010 6:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/
also its good to mention that even though flash crashes a lot, safari also tends to quit unexpectedly, at least when i had an iphone, many more times than i get a crashes in another browser, say microb.

what i dont like is him pointing fingers as if apple is bug/problem free you know?]]>Mar 25th 2010 6:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Mar 25th 2010 7:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Mar 25th 2010 7:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Google isn't moving to H.264, their content just happens to be in H.264. They've just enabled HTML5 possibility.
I'm pretty sure Google is moving to either VP8(/VP9) or Dirac or Theora. Which means that they're actively leaving H.264 at some point.]]>Mar 25th 2010 8:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/
> Also, there were tests showing that Flash doenst actually eat more
> processing power than HTML5 video tag. What Jobs is trying to do
> here is to keep their developers tied to their platform by bad
> mouthing other technologies

I saw those tests, but they don't change that as it stands now, flash videos either don't play smoothly or are detrimental to the battery life of portable devices. Flash support has been promised for mobile platforms for years, and it simply hasn't happened yet (note that it's not just Apple that hasn't supported flash... Android, Palm, Zune, etc, don't have it as well).

So Apple decided to press forward without it and (partly as a result of this) Adobe has stepped up the pace to get flash working on mobile devices.

It should happen with the release of Tegra 2 devices later this year, but flash web games will still be cumbersome on phones and tablets... frankly, the notion that Steve Jobs is keeping flash out to protect keep developers tied to the iPhone platform is far fetched. Drinking the anti-Apple Kool aid is just as bad as buying into Job's reality distortion field.

IDGAF really... I run a flash content blocker anyway.]]>Mar 25th 2010 8:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/If you use Nokia N900 you will see how smooth the videos really are.

Battery drainage is another issue which is not based solely on which os you are using on your phone, blame duracell or other companies for this :P

About other companies not supporting, Adobe announced Flash 10 to Android:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9127986/Adobe_preps_full_Flash_player_for_smartphones

And palm: http://gizmodo.com/5442911/palm-will-support-flash-10-on-pre

And Zune, well, it will support silverlight which is kinda the same bullcr4p as flash...

"Drinking the anti-Apple Kool aid is just as bad as buying into Job's reality distortion field." It is not drinking the anti-apple, I just dont buy this hype that he creates about a technology that is around for some time, not coming to its pros and cons, in detriment of some new-super-ultra-cool-yet-not-totally-formalized-video-tag-thingie...

And yes, Apple does not want actually to lose the control of the content delivery. iTunes is great for them on the way they deliver their apps and keep the development tightly on just one platform, (consistent LnF, lock-in, whatever), so not supporting flash is great for them actually not letting thousands of (crappy) apps into their devices which they wont have way to monetize...

Do you really dont see this? Its all about the cha-ching in the end of the day]]>Mar 25th 2010 9:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Mar 25th 2010 9:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/
The articles you linked to about Adobe Flash coming to Android and Palm don't appear to contradict what I wrote: Flash support has been promised for years and hasn't happened *yet* and Apple isn't the only one that doesn't support support flash (Palm, Android, and Zune do not have it yet). I also wrote:

"So Apple decided to press forward without it and (partly as a result of this) Adobe has stepped up the pace to get flash working on mobile devices. It should happen with the release of Tegra 2 devices later this year, but flash web games will still be cumbersome on phones and tablets"

Since I even wrote that Flash should be finally coming to more powerful devices later this year, I don't know why you're arguing with me.

I'm also not sure why you cited the N900 to rebut me since I wrote: "flash videos either don't play smoothly *or* are detrimental to the battery life of portable devices" (the latter being the issue for the N900).

Apple is definitely keen on protecting the (unfortunately locked down) iTunes ecosystem. I don't agree with Apple's authoritarian and opaque approach there, but that's another topic that has little to do with Flash web games (which will not work well on small capacitance touchscreens anyway, regardless of the platform). To be clear, Flash video is very relevant to the iTunes ecosystem, but less relevant than games/apps as far as keeping developers tied to the platform is concerned.
]]>Mar 25th 2010 11:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/25/cbs-testing-html5-ipad-video-out-in-the-open/Mar 25th 2010 7:33PM