http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/ Engadget Comments for Palm isn't hot on Pre overclocking, indicates warranties are at risk http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 12:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
Damn you beat me to it]]>Mar 29th 2010 12:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
The fact of the matter is, Palm should be EMBRACING the enthusiast community, because they're the ONLY ones that will drive sales in the mainstream. If you don't have hackers out there, screwing around with your phone and picking it above things like the iPhone, then you're screwed.]]>Mar 29th 2010 12:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
Ok, that's a little exacerbated, but still.]]>Mar 29th 2010 12:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
Palm has been embracing the community (e.g. homebrew apps, etc.) for quite a while now. Haven't you been reading Engadget?]]>Mar 29th 2010 12:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
They *have* embraced the home brew community. They left in a back door to get root access...and never closed it. Everyone is aware of it and they know it...and it stays open.

They also had an SDK out in record time, which also supports home brewing...and direct app install. They built the Mojo framework using a JS-based MVC framework in which the source code is on the phone...and they have not complained once about all of the versions of the launcher or Palm-provided apps that folks have modified and extended. The Web OS Internals website is a study in IP violation and Palm doesn't say a word. In fact, they have spoken up only twice in the last year:

1) Tethering...and all they said was that if Sprint complained, they would need to shut down that activity. BTW, it is still supported.

2) This overclock mod...which is far from home brew. It is overdriving a hardware architecture to clock cycles and heat stress for which the packaging is not designed...and Palm is stating the obvious -- it's probably a bad idea for folks to do it...and if you do, we may not honor your warranty.

Look at that last line. They didn't say we *will* void your warranty...they just said it was likely...and they almost certainly should void the warranty for someone who pushes the phone to this extreme and then experiences a related heat-stress permanent failure.

Palm couldn't be much more accommodating to the WebOS community. WebOSQuickInstall and Preware provide means to bypass the Palm app catalog and install apps and patches to core Palm-provided source code directly...without going through the App Catalog...and Palm has not issued a single cease and desist letter.

I won't even bother contrasting these positions with those of Apple. Just pretty much "Boolean not" every single verb above.]]>Mar 29th 2010 12:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/I agree on all point except one. The WebOS programming book is by far the WORST book ever written to teach a programming language.

Literally put the thing down and said "WHAT!?!?! Am I just stupid?"

Then I looked up reviews on the book. It is just horrible.
http://www.amazon.com/Palm-webOS-Mitch-Allen/dp/0596155255/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269883165&sr=1-2-spell

This does negate the chance that I am incredibly stupid.]]>Mar 29th 2010 7:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
I agree on all the IP stuff. I have seen numerous apps in the app catalog that are just modified versions of Palm's sample apps included in the SDK. All of the sample apps say "copyright 2009 palm inc." but palm doesn't seem to care since more apps = more attention.]]>Mar 29th 2010 1:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
Internals is EXTREEMLY strict on what patches they allow into the preware app catalog. If you pop over to there site they list the rules very clearly. The last time I read the list, the patches are not allowed to contain Palms code. The patches install and change the existing code but does not contain Palms code. They are also very strict in the sense that ALL patches and apps are not rip offs of Real App store apps. They take pirating very seriously and do not condone any such action. compared to the iPhone, WebOS has a much better community for growing developers because of the tight piracy restrictions put in place by the homebrew community and Palm.]]>Mar 29th 2010 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
I have authored patches on that site...so I know and fully support their rules...just as I know that there are many instances on their site where Palm code is reproduced. here is just one example:

http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Launcher_Reset_to_Middle_Page

That is Palm code on that page. There are many other examples of their source code posted on WebOS Internals...and many examples of apps that are based almost entirely off of Palm's apps. Example -- Check out "Music (Remix)". It's a great free media player that is built directly off of the source code of Palm's Music Player...and the author freely admits the fact:

http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/199607-music-player-remix.html


...and the situation is as I have stated it -- Palm let's it fly. That was my original point. They couldn't embrace the development community much more than they do now.]]>Mar 29th 2010 3:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
can you honestly say you're satisfied w/ what palm has done to date? I certainly can't.
]]>Mar 30th 2010 2:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Apr 9th 2010 6:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
My Pre runs wicked fast now, btw... the way it should have always run.]]>Mar 29th 2010 12:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/I've run the patch since it was released and have had no problems either. I haven't had a "too many cards" error since I've installed the patch .....don't know if its somehow related. I'll definitely keep running the 800mhz patch on my pre voided warranty or not. Besides, a pre is cheap on craigslist if i do happen to blow mine up.]]>Mar 29th 2010 12:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
I'm going to agree with both the posters in this thread. Been running the 800 patch since it was released. No problems, only improvements.

The Palm user community really is the best!]]>Mar 29th 2010 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
Been running the 800MHz patch since it was released... ZERO problems, almost no battery life difference, blazing fast... now if we can just get better hardware for the awesome webOS!]]>Mar 29th 2010 12:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
No they don't have to release any press release since the wording of their warranty should specifically forbid any sort of modification that changes the functions of the underlying hardware in anyway. If it doesn't then this press release can't make this modification a warranty breaking mod. In either case it's a waste of time and money to release a press release since it doesn't change anything.]]>Mar 29th 2010 12:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 12:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/I have my pre running at 800mhz. This is how it should have been. I would buy a webos superphone in a heartbeat!
Also, it eats more battery when it is in use (thats to be expected) but idle battery life is about the same. ]]>Mar 29th 2010 1:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 2:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
The issue with overclocking the OMAP3 isn't short-term stability, it's long-term SoC reliability due to overvoltage (not an overheating issue). TI has some average lifetime estimates somewhere on their website somewhere, but, basically, knocking an OMAP3430 up to 800MHz can potentially bring your mean time to failure down to under 12 months and potentially much less than that it you're unlucky.

In fact, running it at 550 or 600MHz constantly has an impact on long-term reliability as well (just geometrically less than at 800MHz), which is why everybody shipping the OMAP3430 (Palm, Motorola, Nokia, etc.) has CPU throttling to prevent it from being locked in the top two frequency slots for long periods of time (well, that and battery life ;)).

But, if you're OK will potentially having to replace your phone in a much shorter period of time than is, perhaps, normal, then by all means let 'er burn! ;)]]>Mar 29th 2010 3:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
and if you are mad about this, just remember that Palm has done a good job supporting moders.]]>Mar 29th 2010 12:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 12:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 12:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
Yeah Apple would call you a criminal and probably try to put you in jail.]]>Mar 29th 2010 1:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 12:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 2:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 12:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
Then make a device that isn't laggy and sluggish. ]]>Mar 29th 2010 12:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 12:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/I like where your mind's at.]]>Mar 29th 2010 12:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 12:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 12:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Yes, they point you right towards where you can get your own overclock mod.]]>Mar 29th 2010 12:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
and that's why Palm rules.]]>Mar 29th 2010 12:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 12:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
I've got a day one Pre and haven't had any problems. I know other people have but I don't know what percentage of phones have to fail before something is a "lemon". I don't think the Pre qualifies, though.]]>Mar 29th 2010 12:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
I guess I will not be overclocking mine because I need to replace my launch day Pre.

Mine has started cracking where the USB cover used to be. Seems like it's happening to a lot of them. Crappy hardware. Good software. Great potential.

See:
http://forums.palm.com/t5/webOS-Hardware/Pre-Usb-Door-Cracks-PreCentral-Poll/td-p/254728/page/3]]>Mar 29th 2010 1:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 1:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/
Happens to those who've only used touchstone.

Anyway, touchstone should have come standard with the phone.

]]>Mar 29th 2010 2:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 12:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/I was wondering the same thing. Those punks will spin any story to bash Palm and make Apple look good.]]>Mar 29th 2010 1:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 12:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 12:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 12:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 12:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 1:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Palm has enough trouble keeping the non-hacked ones from imploding in some fashion!]]>Mar 29th 2010 1:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 1:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/palm-isnt-hot-on-pre-overclocking-indicates-warranties-are-at/Mar 29th 2010 1:17PM