http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Mar 30th 2010 11:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Spend 2 grand to claim yourself as the owner of the fastest uber CPU,only to be reminded your uber CPU is no longer the fastest and greatest in a month or two.

ahhhh technology, gotta love it you can never have sate of the art for too long.]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Mar 31st 2010 12:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Mar 30th 2010 11:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/+1 Agreed, especially when the precious post is from over a year ago.]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/
yeah did you see the sandisk reference from 4-5 years ago earlier tonight? there is a reason engadget is the best.]]>Mar 31st 2010 12:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Mar 31st 2010 9:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Mar 30th 2010 11:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Mar 30th 2010 11:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/You have to take into account that Intel has the more powerful and energy efficient chips.

But yeah, the Xeon's probably don't outperform the Opteron's by 100%.]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/...or 24 for 2400 vs 8 for 2500. ]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Hmmm, more cores... more parallel processes, is a usually good thing in supercomputing tasks.]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/
Well ofcourse intel's stuff performs better. but your getting 80% of the performance for less than half price by choosing AMD processors rather than Intel]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/
I haven't seen the specs on these latest chips but since when did Xeon's have a more power efficient design than the Opteron's? I was of the belief that the AMD chips were much more efficient than the Intel chips but were lower performing. But on the plus side they were also backwards compatible to older server motherboards making them a far better value for companies wanting to increase the performance their servers without a total upgrade of components and loss of investment in the large amounts of memory etc. ]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/
since when? you clearly never touched server technology in past 10 years]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/
@dennisheadley Intel has been more power efficient than AMD for most users since the Core Duo came out, the Core i7/8xx series is quite the performer for the power.]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/
He's right, to some extent. The cores themselves tend to be faster in Xeons than Opterons. The important thing that differentiated them until a few months ago was the fact that the Opterons were plugged into HyperTransport, which was vastly faster than the Front-Side Bus in the Xeon, and meant that large workloads and large multi-processor systems tended to be faster with Opterons.]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/
Also, Intel abandoned FSB a year ago on Xeon (March 3rd, 2009) with the Nehelem (Core i7) Xeons. It wasn't a few months ago.]]>Mar 31st 2010 12:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/
The problem for AMD is that they have to be within less than an order of magnitude in the performance metrics from intel if they want to be considered by the market. But they have to do so with an organization almost two order's of magnitude smaller than Intel. I don't think people understand the differences in scale within both companies. I have a lot of respect for AMD's staff. They have been for decades in one of the toughest positions to be: in the exact same market as one of intel's bread and butter. ]]>Mar 31st 2010 3:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Mar 30th 2010 11:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/I hope sony gets sued]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Mar 31st 2010 12:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Not likely, you don't have to update your PS3. If you want to play online you have to accept their ToS. I'm sure somewhere in that great wall of text, there are statements that cover Sony's ass.]]>Mar 31st 2010 12:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/playing online and being able to use linux are two things people bought a PS3 thinking it would do]]>Mar 31st 2010 1:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/
http://i.imgur.com/D6kzJ.jpg]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/
that is an over simplified note. ]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/
the SAME TIME!!!]]>Mar 31st 2010 11:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Mar 30th 2010 11:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/
I'm having a hard time understanding what exactly was up your ass...when this happened...actually, forget it, don't wanna know...=/]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/
Too bad linux is going byebye... -,-]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/
Applications based on transactional databases (OLTP and ERP) are also better off with new Xeon. The SAP and our own Oracle Calling Circle benchmark all point in the same direction. Intel has a tangible performance advantage in both benchmarks.

Data mining applications clearly benefit from having “real” instead of “logical” cores. For datamining, we believe the 12-core Opteron is the clear winner. It offers 20% better performance at 20% lower prices, a good deal if you ask us. Intel’s relatively high prices for its six-core are challenged. The increased competition turns this into a buyers market again.

And then there is the most important segment: the virtualization market. We estimate that the new Opteron 6174 is about 20% slower than the Xeon 5670 in virtualized servers with very high VM counts. The difference is a lot smaller in the opposite scenario: a virtualized server with a few very heavy VMs. Here the choice is less clear. At this point, we believe both server CPUs consume about the same power, so that does not help either to make up our minds. It will depend on how the OEMs price their servers. The Opteron 6100 series offers up to 24 DIMMs slots, the Xeon is “limited” to 18. In many cases this allows the server buyer to achieve higher amount of memory with lower costs. You can go for 96 GB of memory with affordable 4 GB DIMMs, while the Intel server is limited to 72 GB there. That is a small bonus for the AMD server.

The HPC market seems to favor AMD once again. AMD holds only a small performance advantage, and this market is very cost sensitive. The lower price will probably convince the HPC people to go for the AMD based servers. ]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Mar 31st 2010 2:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/
Also AMD still has an edge in the HPC market because multi socket (for n>2) solutions using hypertransport have had a good half decade head start over Intel's QPI. So Intel seems to be topping off as the clear winner in market segments of two sockets or less (which obviously is not that small at all).

The problem is that the HPC market is not that large, so it puts AMD in a bit of a pickle if they can only dominate that relatively small market. ]]>Mar 31st 2010 3:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Mar 30th 2010 11:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/And people STILL don't understand that core counts are not directly comparable between the Cell and these. The Cell's SPE's are not full cores. Just look at the transistor count between that and this, these are far more complex. ]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/8 core...

but how many Ghz?! Better be 4+ AMD and Intel or gtfo]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/If both AMD and Intel GTFO, then who GTFI?]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/
IBM, who is perfectly capable of making an 8-core 4GHz chip.]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Mar 31st 2010 9:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Mar 30th 2010 11:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/I kind of doubt Apple would make a $8,000+ model.
Plus two 6 core processors are $500 cheaper than one 8 core processor.]]>Mar 31st 2010 12:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/
i think the idea of apple has gone over your head]]>Mar 31st 2010 2:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/
If you can get 50% more load onto a core based purely on number of cores that could represent a huge cost saving.]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Mar 30th 2010 11:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Mar 31st 2010 12:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Depends on the software. Most general consumer software couldn't even begin to use a fraction of its full power now or in 2 years time, but some enterprise servers and applications could make good use of 12 cores now.]]>Mar 31st 2010 12:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/It does. These 12 core chips are mostly for server, supercomputer, and data mining applications, which can all use many more cores than consumer software.]]>Mar 31st 2010 8:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Mar 31st 2010 4:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Mar 31st 2010 12:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/amd-launches-12-core-opteron-server-chips-intel-counters-with-t/Mar 31st 2010 1:07AM