http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/Mar 30th 2010 8:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
I guess Steve and Eric's hangout didn't go too well...]]>Mar 30th 2010 8:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/Mar 30th 2010 8:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
Your avatar is depressing...]]>Mar 30th 2010 8:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
It was a joke because Steve Jobs (who hates flash) and Eric Schmidt were recently seen having coffee together. It's supposed to be funny since their is supposedly tension between the two executives and that it must have been unleashed during their meeting to make Eric Schmidt do something like this. ]]>Mar 30th 2010 8:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/you didn't have to explain it]]>Mar 30th 2010 8:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
Integrating the bugginess of Flash right into Chrome?

Hmm.... so much for the speediness of my favorite browser..

Damn you Google, don't make me use Safari :(]]>Mar 30th 2010 8:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
A while back, Google users overwhelming asked for more search results per page. Google did massive tests to make sure that their user experience wasn't sacrificed, they found the fractions of a second it took made users very dissatisfied. If they do anything to the contrary here I'd be greatly surprised. ]]>Mar 30th 2010 8:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
@_@]]>Mar 30th 2010 8:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
The only sense it makes is that GOOGLE is interested only in itself and it's internet ADVERTISING. How is most internet advertising done, FLASH. That is Google's motivation, save the advertising. Google is fighting to keep those annoying ads that pop up in front of you whenever you try to read a page. I love my iPhone for browsing because I don't get all the FLASH JUNK Advertising. I don't mind advertising but I can't stand most FLASH ADs, they are so intrusive. ]]>Mar 30th 2010 8:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
Is it time for monkey news?]]>Mar 30th 2010 9:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/Wohooo Apple-Google WAR heating up.

And guess who wins....consumers with better products (no...not Microsoft). :)]]>Mar 30th 2010 9:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/Mar 30th 2010 9:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
Well good for you then. Maybe there are some of us who would like to use flash, and for some, this was desired. I don't like the tone of your comment, as it speaks of google in an unfair manner. In my opinion, google isn't anymore evil than apple. They don't exist to hurt and annoy you, and before you call me an apple hater, I'm typing this on my iPhone. I just think that your comment about google sounded somewhat illogical. ]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
So honestly chrome with flash will probably be much faster than safari with the flash download on to it

and HTML5 won't take over flash any time soon so I think it would be much better to have chrome with built in flash that just safari with flash on top and not built in]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
Google is anything but naive and nice, they are getting something big in return.]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/You know what is really sad. A lot of visitors to Engadget and other tech blogs have iPhones and soon iPads. Every time those users visit Engadget ads don't load and they dont get the money for the services they provide. ]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
on your pc, its called adblock. opera, firefox, and i dont know about chrome all have it.]]>Mar 30th 2010 11:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/Mar 31st 2010 12:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
Hey dummy, try going to engadget on an iPhone... You see the ads. Try going the the iPhone/iPod version i.engadget.com there are adds there too. Try going on the iPhone app...

Maybe I got my point across... If I didn't, then you should google for Apple advertising and you will come across several articles that apple will create iAds ]]>Mar 31st 2010 12:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
Apple should allow the Chrome browser to run on the iPad, then there would be less of a security risk and iPad users would get their Flash support. All would be good as long as it doesn't use up lots of processor cycles.]]>Mar 31st 2010 1:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/Mar 31st 2010 1:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://bit.ly/slate-from-google-possibility]]>Mar 31st 2010 2:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
Yup, since the vast majority of people use Flash now it's the right thing to do.]]>Mar 31st 2010 2:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
Of course, Apple invented Adobe, FLash, HTML5, browsers, along with everything else and Steveie baby was just letting Eric know this.
]]>Mar 31st 2010 2:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
Apple : F U Adobe, I am launching the greatest tablet ever and your slow mo' development is crippling my launch, now my tablet has no flash. WTF man. Apple wait for no man. That's it, I had enough, I gonna rally my zealots to kill you adobe. HHAHAHA suck to be you, lazy ass.

Google: Hey adobe, I heard this apple trying to spread nonsense about you and wanna kick you out of web development. Tell you what, I also developing something, it's picking up steam but not as great as Apple yet. Let's partner up and make Apple feel stupid on what he is missing.

Apple: F U Google. I was just try to pressure Adobe to get their act together. You sneaky little bastard

Google: Tee heee]]>Mar 31st 2010 3:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/Mar 31st 2010 6:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
I don't want HTML5 video to pick up because of some fanatical religious views, I want it to pick up so that it's as easy for me to include a video as it is an image. With Flash, I have to buy their product, hack a video player together, put the video into it, then muck about with endless object and property tags before I can get my video on a web-page. I don't want to upload the video somewhere else if it's already on my server, I just want to have the video on that page.

Alternatively, I can use [video src="somevideo.ogg"][/video] or [video src="somevideo.avi"][/video] and be done with it.]]>Mar 31st 2010 6:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/Mar 31st 2010 6:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/Mar 31st 2010 6:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/Plus this deal with Adobe is really transparent. Yes google has a new shiny HTML5 player for YouTube but the truth is that HTML5 is not nearly as polished as Flash is and at the end of the day Flash is easier to work with. So the bottom line is that YouTube i.e. Google needs Flash. Also Chrome needs a competitive advantage when it comes to netbooks. Lets face it Flash on linux is even worst than flash on OS X. However, Google needs to make it works great hence invest money into it. And whilst flash is free to use as a plugin the only way Google can improve it is by signing a deal with Adobe ( the owner of the IP ). ]]>Mar 31st 2010 6:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/Yup, Chrome has it to.]]>Mar 31st 2010 11:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/Mar 31st 2010 1:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
The only real advantage to me as a lazy-ass developer is wider deployment, and with more browsers implementing HTML5 video, that's becoming less and less of a problem - at least, after Big Stupid Corporations inc. start porting their IE6 web-apps to something with more longevity (like, say... the standards, perhaps?).]]>Mar 31st 2010 3:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
And how do you get round the proprietary video codecs?]]>Mar 31st 2010 3:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
If I don't want to use PNG for images, I use JPG. If I don't want to use MP4/AVI for video, I use OGG. Simple, no?]]>Mar 31st 2010 3:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/Mar 31st 2010 4:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
Which means that the product will have to have access to those alternative codes.

You do see where I'm going here don't you?]]>Mar 31st 2010 6:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
Mac OS X ships with Flash built in, and has forever. ]]>Mar 31st 2010 6:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/i dont think YOU get to decide the industry standard for coding...
either way, companies arent going to give a shit what you think, if it makes good sense for them theyll do it, flash is an AMAZING platform and only steve jobs and his minions fail to see this
In fact, if they even slightly dislike something they out it from their products completely. Its good to see two companies working together, this mutual working should increase the usability and effectiveness of both the chrome browser and flash, whats not to like?

*waits for steve jobs response to this*]]>Apr 1st 2010 6:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
Say I've got an image on my computer. If I want to include it in a web-page, I don't have to worry about stuff like formats, patent infringement/licensing fees, using some API that someone's written for a proprietary plug-in or buying said proprietary plug-in's development platform and creating an appropriate application for displaying the image myself: I just type [img url="someimg.jpg"] and carry on.

I want video to be the same.

Yes, I know that right now that isn't going to happen, but it's not going to happen if we don't approach these problems and find proper, valid solutions either. I might not be able to use video/audio on my website like I can images right now, but I want to be able to in the future, and the sooner I can the better.]]>Apr 1st 2010 6:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
How does that actually address anything I've said?]]>Apr 1st 2010 6:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
I dunno if there is a happy balance...]]>Apr 2nd 2010 8:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
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now were talking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]]>Apr 15th 2010 6:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
So what are you gonna do when advertisers start making annoying pop-up ads in HTML5 for your iPhone? Are you going to complain that HTML5 is only a useless platform for advertisers?]]>May 28th 2010 10:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
Yeah, a feature that will crash your device.]]>Mar 30th 2010 8:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/Mar 30th 2010 8:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
You saying this makes me wonder if the reason Flash sucks on Macs isn't because of Adobe being ahem "lazy" and not because Apple doesn't want to give deep enough access, but more because web designers are running around and using poor coding.

Anyone got an answer fer me? ]]>Mar 30th 2010 8:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/30/chrome-brings-flash-player-into-the-fold-trains-it-to-kill-ipad/
As an educated guess. a mixture of the latter two.

Adobe makes money from Flash by selling the tools to make flash content. It's in their best interests to make Flash run on every possible platform. Because the more people using flash, the more attractive the technology is.
Look at Silverlight. A few places tried it, and most have dropped it and gone back to flash. Not enough customer interest.
Even my Nokia N800 has Flash.Slow, but it's there. My Linux boxes run flash very well. So well, my 1.8 Ghz think pad with 1 gig memory is easily able to do full screen Youtube video. It maxes out the processor, but this is a known thing with Flash video.

The anti flash bile has just started since the iPhone and touch came out, which don't have the power to run Flash. But rather than admit an imperfection.. Apple are not "unable to offer a worthwhile flash implementation", they "reject flash". In the same way I reject the ability to levitate.

Flash videos will not play smoothly on low powered processors (in comparison to a laptop or desktop). And no right thinking person really expects them to. It's that simple.

The Flash instability on OSX, I have no idea of. It's smooth as silk on my Linux boxes, and on my Windows box. Perhaps some low level Apple stuff interferes with Flash, perhaps Apple have not allowed low level calls, but why worry about a minority platform, when the owners don't want to cooperate?]]>Mar 30th 2010 10:21PM