http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/Mar 31st 2010 9:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/OMG it's the China Telecom girl!]]>Mar 31st 2010 9:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
I love this line:
" it's a technology designed in the back stall of a unicorn barn "

I lol'd]]>Mar 31st 2010 10:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
Ginger kids have no soul. -EC]]>Mar 31st 2010 11:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
its because theyre being lightninged by a wizard, obviously. natal has wires you attach for realistic feedback sensation, like shocks.]]>Mar 31st 2010 11:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
I know it's crude but my first reaction was "COCK GOES WHERE?!"

Jesus, I need to spend less time on the internet.]]>Mar 31st 2010 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/Mar 31st 2010 4:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/Mar 31st 2010 7:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/Mar 31st 2010 9:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/I don't think all of natal is using this technology alone, besides this was stated before(link below). last i check MS had bought an israeli company(3DV) last year and that to me was the foundation of project natal. So i don't see why are people talking as if this is something coming from primesense alone...

here it talks about MS using technology of both companies or else it would have been out already... it's more than meets the eye.
http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-features/42980-microsoft-buys-israeli-company-linked-to-project-natal

"project was a "combination" of partners and native MS software." So i don't see this being replicated to the same level anything soon and being that MS has patents related to the type of technology.


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Why would it staying exclusive matter? I don't get people who equate "exclusive" with "better". As if the quality of a tool would suddenly diminish if someone else used to too.

Like games...COD4:MW was awesome...on Xbox, PS3 and PC. I played it on the PC and PS3 and loved it. I've got and Xbox now and I'm loving Bad Company 2. I can't imagine it getting better JUST because PC/PS3 gamers aren't playing it.

Please explain it.]]>Mar 31st 2010 10:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/Mar 31st 2010 11:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/Mar 31st 2010 12:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/Mar 31st 2010 9:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
oh c'mon Natal is more than just primesense technology people... stop being fanboys and jump to conclusions... worse of all Engadget are such lazies that they don't check their own past stories before claiming that it's purely base on primesense technology. So don't go thinking that the full extent of Natal will be on other console... ]]>Mar 31st 2010 9:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
Yeah they had an earlier article on the neural net MS trains to recognize human poses.]]>Mar 31st 2010 1:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
actually it mentions in the article that Microsoft tweaked the technology quite a bit 'to their credit'

for all you know, this company was only bought because it holds the patents for some of the things needed for Natal, and for sure this company appreciated the fact that Microsoft brought them into light.

and anyways, where's your breakthrough original technology. yeah, thats what i thought.]]>Mar 31st 2010 6:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
Nor will it be on the Wii. And those are the only gaming systems as far as I know so yeah it will be unique in that sense.

Move is just sony copying the competition...yet again. At least Natal is trying to be something different.]]>Mar 31st 2010 9:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/I'm not a Sony fanboy (nor a fanboy of any of the major gaming system companies), this is just an honest question: When else did Sony copy the competition?]]>Mar 31st 2010 9:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
I am a Sony fanboy, ever heard of eyetoy etc]]>Mar 31st 2010 9:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/ PSP Slim]]>Mar 31st 2010 9:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/]]>Mar 31st 2010 9:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/-Added triggers to their controllers like on the Original Xbox controller
-The entire console industry copied the original Xbox, as all of today's consoles are essentially mini-computers.
-PSN copied Xbox Live (without the fees)
-The original PS3 controller we were all introduced to was to try give tacked-on motion controlling to compete with the Wii

That's about all I can think of at the moment in terms of the PS3. They obviously did make some nice stuff on their own. Like despite the fact they made hard drive a standard in the construction of the console, they do make it completely user replaceable which is quite nice.]]>Mar 31st 2010 9:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
I'm not saying natal will be awesome. I also have reservations as to if it will do anything special or make feel like I need to have one.

But I do applaud MS for at least trying to differentiate itself from the Wii and ps3.

sony is incapable of doing that. All they've got is a dildo with nice colorful orbs as the head.

As for Natal's lag I hope they improve on that. I keep telling myself though that it's been a while since I've seen it in action. Hopefully this E3 will reveal a LOT more about it and it's current status.]]>Mar 31st 2010 9:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
http://i43.tinypic.com/1z5865x.jpg]]>Mar 31st 2010 9:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/Mar 31st 2010 9:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
To the above commenter, I don't really know if I agree with the PSP Slim being a copy of DS Lite. I'm not a big gamer and don't own either of the devices or know much about them, but I don't see any major similarities other than the fact that they are both handheld gaming systems, which many companies have been making for years (Nintendo was first that I know of, but I remember Sega and I'm sure others as well).]]>Mar 31st 2010 9:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/Mar 31st 2010 9:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
Just sayin', and I second mr88's response that innovation breeds innovation.]]>Mar 31st 2010 9:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
Triggers? You mean the L2/R2 buttons that have been on the PS controller from the start or are you talking about something else. If anything the XBox triggers are a copy of the L2/R2 buttons and don't even get me started on the L3/R3 buttons. Give credit where it's due. Prior to that console controllers only had 1 shoulder button. ]]>Mar 31st 2010 9:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/Totally forgot that the DC controller was the first to have actual triggers.

Again, while the L2/R2 buttons have gotten bigger they still don't look much like triggers to me. ]]>Mar 31st 2010 9:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
We have seen nothing yet to say this is not a glorified eye-toy, so until it is leaps and beyonds better because of actually seeing it in action....Microsoft has copied Sony.

No one has seen much beyond the ball hitting game, and games like that are already out for eye-toy. this is a huge failure unless its responsive enough to play a real game with quick movements and no lag. ]]>Mar 31st 2010 12:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
No this is very different. Eye toy and Move is very low-tech, its just an off the shelf webcam and 30 year old machine vision tech, color blob tracking. This is a special type of camera with an IR projector that builds a 3D point cloud of a scene plus human joint tracking software.]]>Mar 31st 2010 1:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
Well Sony's entire entrance into the console market is from copying Nintendo. The original PS was partly designed by Nintendo themselves as it was originally just a Super Nintendo addon.]]>Mar 31st 2010 1:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
sit down somewhere!]]>Mar 31st 2010 4:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
Im a satisfied PS3 owner but if they can make some interesting games using Natal ill be purchasing a 360.]]>Mar 31st 2010 9:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/Mar 31st 2010 9:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/The "magic" behind NATAL isn't the camera. It's the software and logic controlling what the camera sees which is the breakthrough tech.]]>Mar 31st 2010 9:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/Mar 31st 2010 9:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
"The Marker", which is the high-tech and economy branch of Haaretz, has first mentioned it as "a rumor" in a June 3rd article (here: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fit.themarker.com%2Ftmit%2Farticle%2F6897&sl=iw&tl=en&swap=1).

Then, 9 days ago, I was amazed to discover that the site has added this as a FACT to my own article from Gadgety (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gadgety.co.il%2F11093%2F&sl=iw&tl=en) about your hands-on with the technology: "At first, when NATAL was revealed at E3, people thought that Israeli start-up 3DV are the ones behind it. Now we can tell you that Microsoft acquired 3DV to prevent the technology from ending-up in Sony's hands, while their own product is driven by PrimeSense's chip". (full Google Translation: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fit.themarker.com%2Ftmit%2Farticle%2F10122&sl=iw&tl=en) Needless to say, This was their own Intel added to my post. I had no idea, but it seems like The Marker have interviewed PS's CEO Inon Brakha several times.]]>Mar 31st 2010 9:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
natal for gaming, no thanks. but for media center, hell yes!]]>Mar 31st 2010 10:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
You mean Coverflow?

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO!]]>Mar 31st 2010 10:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
Yeah, you know what I like doing when I get home from a hard days work and want to relax? Waving my arms around like some lunatic because it's somehow "better" than if I moved just my thumb on a remote.

People rarely think through the logical reason for an innovation. "Ooh, I saw it in a movie!" isn't really the compelling reason to change things as you think. It may look cool, but is it practical? Can you get the precision waving your arm as you would hitting a button? Trying to fast forward with your hand seems tedious and ridiculous. ]]>Mar 31st 2010 10:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
and searching for a specific scene in a movie could be much more fluent and accurate than with buttons.

and yes, i actually experienced interfaces similar to that, and they ARE great for home entertainment systems. especially for those who don't have their remote in the hand the whole evening, like me.]]>Mar 31st 2010 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
Which systems have you used with this sort of interface and why do you not then own such a system?]]>Mar 31st 2010 11:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
but why i say i hope microsoft integrates it into media center is, so it would be available to the masses. if i write something like this, maybe some would buy it, maybe it would be on engadget and some more would buy it. but if microsoft would do it, we could all have it for free (except the hw), and people all over the world would know it. and it would make microsoft look quite cool for home entertainment.

that's why.

but let's see if natal can be plugged into a pc as well (just as the xbox 360 controllers, which i use for wireless full-hd gaming of old game-emulators in the media center), and if we can put it to use easily then. if so, i'll sure write a "controller". and with some chance, not just for me but everyone.

the other thing about microsoft integrating it directly: they could redesign the whole mediacenter ui to add more usability trough gestures to it, than i could if i'd just extend the existing. no detailed idea on what that means, though :)

anyways, can't wait till it's out. i still don't have an xbox, but i love xna, the controllers, and if natal can be plugged into a pc, i'll sure get it, too. just for the development fun :)]]>Mar 31st 2010 3:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
ooooo the PR machine!]]>Mar 31st 2010 10:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
So far, the games demoed on Natal involved the player remaining in his same spot throughout the entire game (racing, catching balls, first person fighting....) Without buttons, how would you play a game like GOW? That's where PS3's "Moves" won me over...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZxupr5ZsvY]]>Mar 31st 2010 10:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/
Some people mention they wouldn't mind holding their existing controller while using Natal. I know I would. It's not like the Xbox 360 controller is the smallest and lightest around.]]>Mar 31st 2010 11:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/31/primesense-fesses-up-its-the-magic-behind-microsofts-project/

Annoying pop ups and crappy information on my tv... how about letting me just watch a movie?

Seriously, this better be good tech cause even on touch screen enable devices its hardly that accurate either...]]>Mar 31st 2010 10:51AM