http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/ Engadget Comments for iPhone OS 4 versus Windows Phone 7: the tale of the tape http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Apr 8th 2010 5:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
and Android will take them all! ]]>Apr 8th 2010 5:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
I am starting to love Android xD I just wish at&t will learn to work nice with it and give us some actual good android phones]]>Apr 8th 2010 5:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
Pretty much... It'll always be behind Apple in the OS coming this late into the game.]]>Apr 8th 2010 5:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
They could maybe add a few media buttons to the side but I know Apple would never do that. Add buttons? MADNESS! ]]>Apr 8th 2010 6:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Apr 8th 2010 6:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
Based off this list WinMo 6.5 stacks up pretty nicely. No wonder so many followers are not thrilled about 7 (at the moment).]]>Apr 8th 2010 6:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Same could be said with iOS 4.0
Neither are released as of today]]>Apr 8th 2010 6:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Jobs: If you see linux, they blew it]]>Apr 8th 2010 6:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Let's hope]]>Apr 8th 2010 6:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Apr 8th 2010 6:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
I am hugely disappointed in iPhone 4.0. iAd is the biggest joke I've ever seen. All of a sudden Steve has Apple fans completely content with ads, and that's crap.

Unless Apple can surprise me with excellent iPhone hardware this summer, I will be switching to WP7.]]>Apr 8th 2010 6:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Apr 8th 2010 6:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
Not sure what you're getting at. Being force-fed ads on a device you already own is completely different than wanting WP7, though having never touched it. Like I said man, if they impress me hardware wise I'll get a new iPhone, but I have a 3G and as of right now, 4.0 isn't worth buying a new phone just for multitasking.

Want to talk about buying a device before using it? Look at the iPad and all the people who pre-ordered it.]]>Apr 8th 2010 6:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
Free apps already have ads, so 4.0 will have more interactive ads why is it a joke?
]]>Apr 8th 2010 6:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Apr 8th 2010 6:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Jordan had a valid point. You all should be less sensative when someone doesn't bow to everything apple does.]]>Apr 8th 2010 6:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Apr 8th 2010 7:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Apr 8th 2010 7:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/How is this ad system worse than the ZuneHD (and presumably WP7, given the same application support) pre-roll ads? Those you have to watch full screen before you can use the App, these will still be banners. That seems like more intense force-feeding to me.

]]>Apr 8th 2010 7:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Apr 8th 2010 7:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
I want a phone thats 3G works]]>Apr 8th 2010 7:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
The problem with comparisons like this is that it doesn't take the user experience into account at all. Unfortunately, Droid's open platform sucks for most users. Security sucks. Upgrades and installs suck.

Based on "specs" it looks like Win 6.5 would rule. Unfortunately it's brutal. Hence WP7. However, WP7 is building towards where iPhone 2-3 is and not where iPhone 4 or 5 is.

For 95% of users, the iPhone is hands down the best. Apple has by far the highest customer satisfaction coupled with an "unheard of" 95% customer retention rate. I can tell you that AT&T isn't the reason for retention.]]>Apr 8th 2010 7:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Apr 8th 2010 7:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/to be honest, its kinda surprising how many green boxes are in the 6.5.x corner. as much of an old dog as it is, it still continues to be one of my favorites mobile OSs ever. as long as you have a phone that has enough cpu HP to give it a good experience, it truly remains one of the few OSs on the market where you can do what you want, how you want to, when you want to, w/out having to ask for permission. oh yeah, and you can customize the SHIIIIET outta it. though i get bored w/ you sometimes, and webOS, android, and many others make me envious at times. you'll always been forever in my heart 6.5.x :)]]>Apr 8th 2010 7:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
According to this chart, Windows Mobile 6.5.3 wins. So I'll probably stick with that or switch to Android later on.]]>Apr 8th 2010 7:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
Engadget, you might waana double check your 'No' for global search in WM6.5. As WM has had a global search since WM5.

Go to Start > Programs > Search

It's present in WM6.1 but can't be certain on newer versions.]]>Apr 8th 2010 8:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
This is true of UI skinning as well. This was actually in the leaked developer docs that engadget posted after MWC and before MIX, though custom UIs will be limited at launch (though hardware and carrier partners may be able to do some limited changes).

MS has been pretty clear that they plan on starting at a more restricted state (same thing with copy/paste, which they may actually have implemented by the time it RTMs according to Paul Thurrott and others).

The reason for the limited start is, like Apple, to ensure a more universal experience, and as the platform matures, they'll be more open. I've heard the phrase "crawl, walk then run" a couple of times now. ]]>Apr 8th 2010 8:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Apr 8th 2010 8:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
Plus we generally get Opera installed on WinMo 6.5 no need for the crap that is trident. On device app management is awesome. I just download cab files OTA onto my SD card and install or use the marketplace on the phone. I don't see how it can get better. Plus we have the choice to install to SD card. Notification Style - modal popup my ass. I haven't seen any modal popups on HTC Sense 2.5.]]>Apr 8th 2010 8:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
Nobody uses it anymore on new phones. See Opera Mobile 10.]]>Apr 8th 2010 8:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://bit.ly/iphone-going-4-0]]>Apr 8th 2010 8:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Microsoft should allow plug-ins on Windows Phone 7. For example, who need multitasking if Pandora can integrate directly with the Music + Video Hub?]]>Apr 8th 2010 8:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/You're view on Android is correct and Microsoft knows that, that's why WP7 has specific hardware requirements, in time I think Google week realize that , and well have 3 good OSs to choose from. (iPhone, WP7, Android)]]>Apr 8th 2010 8:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Apr 8th 2010 9:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
The ifanboys parade continues.]]>Apr 8th 2010 9:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
If given the chance to pay for the Zune HD apps to remove the ads, would you?

Didn't think so.]]>Apr 8th 2010 9:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Wow, I knew it! Ive been saying it in all the other post but all the Apple supporters have been...well supporting their OS, but it doesnt run complete multitasking as we would desire.]]>Apr 8th 2010 10:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Apr 8th 2010 10:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Apr 8th 2010 10:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
The problem that Apple is trying to address with iAds has to do with the economic viability of their developer community. Ads were already present, but they take the user away from their application by switching to the web browser. Now ads, fed by Apple's servers, can be full blown applications, making them far more interactive and attractive. Application developers decide whether they need this feature. Expect everyone else in the industry to follow suit.]]>Apr 8th 2010 10:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Apr 8th 2010 10:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Yup, although Iphone is catching up slowly and become reasonably good now, but Wm6.5 still beat Iphone ass in lots of places. But as long as I still see 1 same single hardware for the school kids and working class, its a deal breaker for me. A grown-up rocking the same toy as a child? ITs also like I refuse to wear the same jeans design like everyone else, and go like 'hey buddy, we all wear the same jean, how cool is that , isn't this the best jeans ever?! ]]>Apr 8th 2010 10:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
You are right on. Seriously - who uses IE on their 6.5 phone? You have different browser choices right now that stack up well against Android and certainly the iPhone.

The beauty of WinMo is customization. People that hate WinMo don't customize. And I get that. Some people just don't want to go through the work. However, for the rest of us, throwing on new ROM's and dropping in new cabs is all part of the phone of having a device. I can radically change the way my device looks and behaves with just a few clicks. And if I really want to get crazy I'm a few clicks away from running Android.

I get where the WP7 is going. I understand the wild success of the iPhone. I just wonder where all the people like me will end up. Android is fine but is still really lacking. Maybe it's time to look at Nokia and the N900. Or maybe it's time to drop down to a dumb phone and invest my money into a new 5-7" slate to handle all my mobile but non-calling activities. ]]>Apr 8th 2010 10:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Apr 8th 2010 11:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
The funny thing is how many people buy a smartphone and then treat it like a dumbphone. The whole reason smartphones are called that is that they have a real operating system that can run actual programs. I love my wife but bless her little heart, she didn't even know the iPhone app store existed until I told her 6 months after she got her iPhone. And she wasn't the one that installed her first app, I was.

Meanwhile, I'm installing custom ROMs and radios on my HTC Fuze all over the place. I can tether my phone (which has come in handy during some power outages over the winter), I've got Opera 10, I've got the latest HTC TouchFlo interface and none of AT&T's crapware. I get double the battery life that I did when this thing was new (and double my wife's iPhone - with real multitasking!). This is what having a smartphone is all about.

I also get the fact that not everybody wants to invest the time and energy into this, but I'm definitely moving to Android for my next phone because it's going to end up being the last bastion for the power user. Both the iPhone OS and WM7 are dumbed down for those who want their smartphones to be dumbphones. That may be fine for the majority of people, but I want something more from my phone these days. I want to treat my smartphone like the pocket computer it really is.

For right now, WM6.5 really is at least the second best mobile OS out there... if you slap the right UI on top of it. (Which is very easy to do, unlike with some other mobile OS's.)]]>Apr 9th 2010 12:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
"If we said we wanted to put an ad up every 3 minutes, that's 10 ads per device per day. That would be 1 billion ad opportunities per day."

Now, given he probably said this number to be on the grand side of things, however, anything more than 1 or 2 ads to play the game is much more than the current status quo. The big worry is, interrupting or freezing game functions to play a game. ]]>Apr 9th 2010 12:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/
Um, WinMo6 lets you use WMP and simple drag/drop. It wins.

As for SDK availability, WinMo6 wins again. There are free versions you can get, and it doesnt need a mac]]>Apr 9th 2010 12:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/You seem to have missed the lil detail that only the 3GS will support the multitasking ability! De-fragmenting aye?]]>Apr 9th 2010 12:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-versus-windows-phone-7-the-tale-of-the-tape/Apr 9th 2010 12:34AM