http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/ Engadget Comments for Adobe distances itself from JooJoo, cites lack of 'direct relationship' http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 8:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Yeah, that was the last thing they needed at this time!]]>Apr 9th 2010 8:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/
how about poor adobe... they're a little lonely these days]]>Apr 9th 2010 8:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 8:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/
Hey, let's not fret.

When the JooJoo retails at $34.99 next year, you can be sure I'll have some awesome new placemats! ]]>Apr 9th 2010 9:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Haha! Poor JooJoo, but poor Adobe also. Adobe have seen how terribly flash performs on it and now they've realised people will see how flash it's a complete no-no for mobile devices. ]]>Apr 9th 2010 9:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/I sense a love triangle. Apple ]]>Apr 9th 2010 9:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/
Bend over JooJoo owners. Both Fusion Garage and Adobe are coming in the back door. That is so pathetic. Promising innocent consumers Flash support only to snatch it away at the last minute. Since most of the JooJoo buyers were probably geeks, they'll figure some way to get working Flash on it.

Since 94% of the world are Windows desktop users, those Flash-loving lapdogs don't care if Flash is crap on all the other desktop and mobile platforms. I almost hope that Apple pulls Adobe's pants down around their knees and keeps aggressively pushing towards HTML5. There absolutely has to be another worthwhile alternative to Flash to play some simple videos.]]>Apr 9th 2010 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/
This is exactly why flash needs to go. Adobe pretty much said it themselves: if you don't have a direct relationship with them, you can't build a decent web experience with flash.

This is why we need open documented standards that anybody can implement on any platform without being entirely dependent on some third party.

I don't want Adobe restricting the internet to first-tier partners. I want small companies to have a chance at innovating and building a decent web experience in their products.]]>Apr 9th 2010 10:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Video is one thing, rich animation and interactivity is another.
Everyone seems to be clamoring for flash's demise without first putting something comparable for everything flash does that isn't video in place.]]>Apr 9th 2010 10:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/i disagree, if adobe are working with a company the hardware and software works a lot better together.
if you have a basic standard, then it doesnt work as well as it could. take apple for example, flash works awful on their machines because they dont want to make flash compatible, yet windows PC's, flash works perfectly well, because they work together to make it work. Its the same for itunes, on a Mac, it works well, but stick it on a windows device, its awful]]>Apr 9th 2010 10:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/
Actually no, flash is equally as garbage on Windows computers. I'm typing from one. ]]>Apr 9th 2010 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/I know, I feel really bad for 'em. Oh well, good try. I hope someone can make a nice tablet soon... The HP one looks pretty cool, but I dunno...]]>Apr 9th 2010 11:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/]]>Apr 9th 2010 11:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 12:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/
"You must understand what you are commenting on before doing so."
~ Some smart person (not me) ;-)]]>Apr 9th 2010 12:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/
That's exactly why flash is such a bad idea. Standards like HTML are open. Anybody can create their own version of it that is optimised for their platform or hardware.

You can't do that with closed systems like flash. You have to wait for Adobe to do it (if they ever do).

HTML5 isn't a perfect solution, and there will be transition pains, but when you end up with a standards-based web that is device/vendor/hardware/platform/browser agnostic, it'll be worth it! Tablets and phones would be on exact parity with desktops, and you could extend "the full web" to any new class of device you can dream up, and the power to implement that experience would be entirely in your hands.]]>Apr 9th 2010 1:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/
Joojoo hates Apple
Apple hates Adobe
Adobe hates them both.]]>Apr 9th 2010 2:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 2:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 3:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 8:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/I think fusion garage's approach has been all wrong since they changed the crunchpad to the One legged horse show they call the joojoo today. I think Adobe has every right to disassociate themselves from FG and i appriciate them more for it, even though they need all the support they can get now people are pushing html5. ]]>Apr 9th 2010 8:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 8:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/
Nobody would have even known who these guys were without Tech Crunch getting involved up to a point. They would have been even more lost in the crowd had they not done what they had.

Granted I haven't read all of the material on this as I find legal battles to be about the most boring thing on earth. But they probably had a better shot ad doing this right with Tech Crunch's help and guidance. They probably would have gotten backing from Adobe had they worked with them and not screwed them over.]]>Apr 9th 2010 9:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 10:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/
I operate a small business (since 1988) and every time we've been involved with a company in Singapore, it was like dealing with the guy in the alley who sells $10 Rolexes. They first ask for and then demand detailed technical information, and if you tell them it's proprietary and can't be disclosed, they get offended. Then they want product samples, free of course, and if that doesn't work they want the "educational discount" because they're associated with the National University (like all the rest LOL). ]]>Apr 9th 2010 10:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 11:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 8:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/
They might have liquidated their assets already. 97 and counting]]>Apr 9th 2010 9:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 8:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 8:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/
Core 1 at 50%, core 2 at 100% -> you see 150%]]>Apr 9th 2010 8:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 8:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 8:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Flash on Linux supports absolutely zero hardware acceleration, no matter what hardware you have. Same holds for OS X. That's the whole point here: if you don't use Windows, you're f*ed if you need Flash. You're f*ed if you're on Linux, you're f*ed if you're on OS X, and you're f*ed if you're on a handset.

The most brilliant part about this all is that my Ion + Atom based HTPC has similar issues with Flash: playing full-screen SD youtube from the browser is unbearable. However, if I open the same video in HD from XBMC it plays silk-smooth, because XBMC simply rips out the video stream and decodes it using its own hardware-accelerated codec.

Isn't it great how the whole world is apparently waiting for Adobe to make Flash somewhat work for something as basic as playing a stupid video, while a multitude of better alternatives are readily available... :-S]]>Apr 9th 2010 8:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/
"sn't it great how the whole world is apparently waiting for Adobe to make Flash somewhat work for something as basic as playing a stupid video, while a multitude of better alternatives are readily available... :-S"

And yet Apple gets crap for making a push at killing Flash off once and for all. Unless you're on Windows, Flash support is nonexistent. The only way we can finally be rid of that piece of shit is to stop support it.]]>Apr 9th 2010 9:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/
I'll post this again:

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_html5_really_beat_flash_surprising_results_of_new_tests.php

"Here's what this all means in layman's terms: Apple isn't allowing Flash to become more efficient on their Mac OS X/Safari platform (or their iPod/iPhone/iPad one, either) by not providing the access to the hardware it needs to reduce its CPU load. Adobe is waiting and watching to see if they do, but, as Ozer says "the ball is in Apple's court."."

and

browser tests you can run yourself where Flash often beats HTML5:
http://themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2010/03/22/

and for more on the subject http://inflagrantedelicto.memoryspiral.com/2010/01/html-5-and-the-flash-platform-a-call-for-sanity/]]>Apr 9th 2010 11:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/
lol. now, I'm even learning things I didn't know about how Adobe has been working with H.264 for years, HTML5 for at least a year, and other standards long before that. so much for proprietary greed. doing your homework is fun.]]>Apr 9th 2010 11:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 11:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/
from the coder of the tests - "Update (23/3/2010): For those whose BROWSERS CRASH ON THE FLASH TEST I have a feeling that the flood of setInterval calls might be causing it, so you can try the versions of the tests that are rate-limited to 25 FPS:"

and

"The simple particle benchmark with flash crashed my firefox 3.6, so flahs is fast and fails fast :-). the svg was about 3-4 fps with firefox 3.6 and about 45fps!!! in the ie9 preview."

and

"My short version:
The other three methods all worked without killing the browser - so Flash is in last place right below SVG in terms of performance."

Those who had good experiences with the Flash demo were ones who had hardware acceleration. Now my question is this? You're telling me that Flash needs a GPU to run what HTML5 can do straight off code? Isn't the HTML5 method better? to slim down the code so it runs well on low spec(smartphone) AND higher powered computers?]]>Apr 9th 2010 12:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 3:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 8:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 9:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 8:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 8:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 8:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 8:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/+1 from me too. I hate Adobe. I know nothing about JooJoo so I won't comment.]]>Apr 9th 2010 8:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/
Note: the situation on OS X has been like this for years, except there Adobe puts the blame on supposedly 'closed API's that Apple does not want to make availble' (read: Adobe is too lazy to transition from 32-bit only Carbon to its succesor, Cocoa).

So now you all know why Apple doesn't want this crap on their system.]]>Apr 9th 2010 8:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-distances-itself-from-joojoo-cites-lack-of-direct-relati/Apr 9th 2010 8:43AM