http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/ Engadget Comments for Editorial: HTC and Palm should get hitched and make beautiful babies http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Apr 9th 2010 7:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
Actually, we can thank american patent law for this]]>Apr 9th 2010 8:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Yeah! Because Apple was the first to patent anything.
Oh.. wait..]]>Apr 9th 2010 8:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
The title leads to an obvious question: who will f**k who?]]>Apr 9th 2010 8:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
Tons of companies grab patents so that they themselves don't get sued. Apple is starting this patent war by suing HTC over these unworthy patents. Apple could have easily just sat on the patents since they are silly to begin with, or they could hurt the market and hurt the consumers by starting a patent war because they are afraid of competition. I'm just sorry that your Apple fanboy delusion prevents you from seeing this obvious truth.]]>Apr 9th 2010 8:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Apr 9th 2010 8:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/What would their first baby's name? A Pre Pro?]]>Apr 9th 2010 8:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
Apple fanboy dillusions?? Seems a bit hippcritical when it was Nokia who sued Apple, who then coumter-sued nokia. Then Apple sued HTC so as to nor play favorites and since I'm sure both these cases overlap somewhat, potentially kill 2birds. With 1stone. Seems like Nokia started this mess. ]]>Apr 9th 2010 8:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Apr 9th 2010 8:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
Apple. Seriously? Given that Nokia fired the first shot, RIM was the subject of patent litigation for years, and companies have been popping up out of the woodwork on all kinds of obscure Bluetooth, Wifi, GSM, and other patents. Apple sued HTC (and countersued Nokia). Par for the course in that industry it seems.]]>Apr 9th 2010 9:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Apr 9th 2010 9:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Let'shope that everyone gets to f***k everyone else, otherway where's the fun?]]>Apr 9th 2010 10:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Wow, a story about HTC taking over Palm and all these comments are about Apple, Cmon people, stick with the story.]]>Apr 9th 2010 11:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Apr 10th 2010 1:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
(Apologies for replying to to your comment, but I want to be seen.)

..and the last laugh goes to: Mr. Chris Ziegler, good job sir!]]>Apr 10th 2010 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/if you see a patent theft
they blew it.]]>Apr 10th 2010 3:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Apr 10th 2010 3:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
HTC PREmium :D]]>Apr 10th 2010 3:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Nokia has solid hardware patents on things like signal decoding which make phones work at all. Apple has crappy little software patents on slide to unlock and scrolling.]]>Apr 10th 2010 3:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://j.mp/google-apple-warfare
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There is absolutely no way this will happen, I think this article is the product of a rather unrealistic and non-sensical fan-boy's dreaming.

HTC are doing extremely well both selling their own branded handsets and designing them for other big names. They're cash rich and very profitable. They've spent a lot of money developing custom UIs for Android (which could be ported to other future OS's).

WebOS has a super UI and a lot of good features, but taking on a heavily debt laden company for something which they don't really need and a brand name in the US which arguably now has less traction than HTC's own would be rank stupidity.

Also, Palm would have to sell out at a knockdown price, offering their shareholders very little upside, and there'd be huge job losses at the company (I'd guess at least 75% of the jobs would go). Palm are better off battening down the hatches and riding out their current troubles. Much as Motorola turned around, they can too.

There is absolutely NO WAY this deal will happen.

]]>Apr 10th 2010 1:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
I'm not sure HTC produces such high quality products. Have you seen all the issues with the Nexus one? HTC chose a synpatics clearpad2000 to go into the nexus one, and its a pretty low quality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fuTCuRkJLI&feature=related

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/label?lid=4a96f6d473819af3&hl=en

You can blame Google for it being their fault due to software, but it should by no means pass their QC tests. Hell, they even say that you shouldn't put their phones in your pocket

http://gizmodo.com/5486397/htc-dont-carry-your-nexus-one-in-your-pocket
]]>Apr 10th 2010 3:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Apr 10th 2010 5:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
The Sense UI devices are of a better hardware quality, and match the build quality of HTC's WinMo devices of the past couple of years. I'm not sure if Google actually had a say in maximum hardware cost per unit, but it certainly feels that way. That's why I avoided the Nexus One after getting hands on with it, and picked up an HD2 when it hit T-Mo. Even if WM 6.5 is a dead end, it's either gonna be upgradable to WP7 unofficially, or to an Android build (XDA magicians working on that right now).

If HTC bought Palm, and tweaked the UI of WebOS to have a more Sense UI feel, it would be a win for both companies, as HTC could ditch that proprietary OS, and roll with WP7, Android and keep webOS alive...

I like the sound of the HTC Palm One, actually, a 1GHz WVGA phone similar to the HD2 or EVO. I'd like to see what the Sense software geniuses could do with webOS as their starting point...]]>Apr 10th 2010 8:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
Crappy software huh ?

If it wasn't for apple's iPhone OS we still would have been stuck with symbian and cellphones like N95.I'm stunned by the amount of apple hate on this forum.The story is about HTC but you guys HAVE TO bash Apple.

]]>Apr 11th 2010 3:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Apr 9th 2010 7:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/I'd lmfao if nintendo got it.]]>Apr 9th 2010 8:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
I just don't get this at all. Why on earth would HTC want Palm?? WTF does Palm have? The Palm OS??? That's what's sinking Palm as it is!!

Who is the Palm OS for? Is it for corporate users? Okay, well good luck unseating RIM. Is it for casual users? Seems like between Android, Apple, Maemo, Symbian, Windows... well, it seems covered. Does Palm really want to try to split up that pie even further? (That small part of the pie that's left after RIM and iPhone take their chunks.)

I'm just saying, I don't think HTC gets *anything* useful from Palm... at all.

I also cite this video post Kevin Rose made last month about this very topic: http://bit.ly/aCjMnk]]>Apr 9th 2010 8:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Apr 9th 2010 8:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/have you ever heard of webOS? its a pretty damn good OS. just need some good hardware to pull it up and some good advertising. if they marketed this a bit better you may know a little bit more about it.]]>Apr 9th 2010 8:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
And as for Kevin not knowing about it, I'm going to have to place his expertise a bit higher than yours... considering he is the founder and CEO of a major tech-related company, and an Angel Investor in the technology sector, I just place a little more faith in his research and assessment than some guy on a message board's.

Not trying to be a smart-ass... just sayin'.]]>Apr 9th 2010 9:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Apr 9th 2010 9:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
On a side note, I'd like to thank everyone for speaking nicely even though we disagree. Too often people get nasty.

In response to what you said, I did read the article, it's just my opinion that HTC doesn't get anything they really need from Palm. Sure, they'd get *some* stuff, but is it enough to make it worth buying a company in as much trouble as Palm? Personally, I don't think so.

Hey, it's just my thoughts on the story. We'll all find out soon enough; HTC will either make a move or they won't. I'm betting they won't.]]>Apr 9th 2010 9:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/

symbian is not fighting over the scraps lol.]]>Apr 9th 2010 9:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
No, you're right, they're not. I guess I just meant that both iPhone and Blackberry OS are only on their own devices, whereas the rest are shared among many manufacturer's devices.

Your post actually kind of reinforces my point, I think. Between iPhone, BB, and Symbian, 81% of the market is dominated.

Anyway, I respect everyone's opinions... I'll be interested to see how this plays out. Anyone want to put odds on it? lol]]>Apr 9th 2010 9:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
The Pre is better hardware than anything HTC has actually brought to market in recent years, and the reviews of the actual hardware tell the same story. ]]>Apr 9th 2010 9:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Apr 9th 2010 10:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Apr 9th 2010 11:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
There is a clear and fundemental difference between Android and WebOS (actually, three of them.)

1. WebOS is *only* on Palm devices, whereas Android was designed to be multi-device/multi-carrier.

2. Google dominates pretty much everything they decide to toss their hat into, the same can't be said about Palm.

3. Android is open-source & free. That automatically gives it a leg up on something like WebOS.

Hey, I'm not saying it's not a good OS... I have no idea as I've never owned a Palm device in my life. I just don't think they've [Palm] positioned themselves correctly. ]]>Apr 9th 2010 11:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
(Oh, and I know people will start yelling "iPhone" in response to my #2 above... okay, so that's granted.)]]>Apr 9th 2010 11:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
Agree they won't!. Why should they ?. They are too deep into Droid already!. A year ago would have been a great time for Palm tie-up. I think RIM should go buy Palm now!. They need a sturdy OS with nice UI which Palm still has the edge but not enough resources to develop further.
iPhone OS4 will hit RIM real hard.]]>Apr 10th 2010 1:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Apr 10th 2010 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
That actually makes more sense to me. BB has the market share, imagine if they developed a new OS that actually had a nice GUI...

On a separate note, I love how many of my comments in this thread have been down-ranked. They were on-topic, insightful, thought-out, and politely worded... it's amazing to me how people will down-rank the crap out of you just because they don't agree with your opinion. I'm no troll, people... what's the point of these message boards without differing opinions?]]>Apr 10th 2010 1:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Apr 10th 2010 1:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/If they followed Chris Ziegler's advice, a year from now they would be in the exact same position as Palm is today. And everyone would be surprised. And everyone would be looking for excuses as to why it didn't work (again). People will be blaming lack of carrier support, lack of apps, lack of updates... not understanding the underlying reason to why Palm failed in the market place:

There are too many mobile OS's/platforms and neither Palm or HTC has the resources to compete with Apple, Google and Microsoft.

Add that to the fact that Android is the fastest growing platform in the mobile market, whereas WebOS has failed to attract users or developers. In what parallel universe does jumping from the most successful platform to one of the least successful platforms make any sense? Especially as Android is free, and Palm would probably cost more than HTC could afford.

While I agree that a high-end HTC phone running WebOS makes nerd sense, I don't see how it makes business sense.]]>Apr 10th 2010 4:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/Apr 10th 2010 10:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/
Well your only one person....I am one of 4 or 5 people in my office who have tbe Pm Pre and can't imagine using anything else and all of us on our first phone. Mine personally has been a tank. Fact is, the majority of those who use WebOS love more daily. ]]>Apr 10th 2010 10:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/editorial-htc-and-palm-should-get-hitched-and-make-beautiful-ba/@MichaelF:

Has anyone here used a Palm Pre or Pre Plus recently?:

The reason the Pre Plus won LaptopMag's contest against Iphone3gs, Droid (by 10k votes), Nexus One, etc... is because of its OS.

The reason I myself can never buy any other phone is because of WebOS. It revolutionizes the way anyone uses a phone. It's full blown out multitasking.... not multitasking lite that the Iphone will get or android/WinMo/BlackBerry has...

That and gestures and the card metaphor makes this phone so advance.

As for Palm? It's been releasing OS updates every month to two months... The OS is 10x better since launch last summer. The only problem is that the OS is too much for the Pre Hardware.
Things like battery issues, flimsy builds, underclocked processor is what we Pre owners have to deal with.
However, we keep our phone because it has the easiest to use OS on a phone, and we have the PreCentral community to back us up.

Also, new hardware will fix everything Palm needs.
Battery, processor and ram to handle multitasking, solid device....

Everyone on PreCentral wants an HTC Evo/ HD2 with WebOS.



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You hit the nail on the head. I like a physical keyboard, but I'd LOVE a sweet looking WebOS driven 4G HTC phone with some robust hardware. You also pointed out something that only WebOS users know and should really become common knowledge; every month or two my phone gets a little faster, smoother and more capable. Those who judge WebOS by the user experience and reviews 10 months ago should really update their knowledge base. I'm not particularly loyal to Palm, but I'd be really disappointed if WebOS went away entierly.]]>Apr 10th 2010 3:29PM