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I second your comment. This is head and shoulders better than the side kick. Cloud. All those nice pics you have in the cloud can be shared across your social networks. This looks to be a stepping stone into WP7 for the buyers who fall in love with it.

I see what you did there MSFT.]]>Apr 12th 2010 1:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/Apr 12th 2010 2:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
Well, I would like to see some form of third party apps on this. Preferably, something from Pandora or last.fm or etc.
Something MSFT should consider, since they are focusing on my age demographic.'

And I'm sure this will come up eventually, but will this have the "suspended multitasking" like Windows Phone 7? ]]>Apr 12th 2010 2:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/Apr 12th 2010 2:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/So this is why WP7 was so laggy, they've been puttin all their resouces into getting this this out the door. Maybe the next time we see WP7 it'll be as fluid as it should.]]>Apr 12th 2010 2:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
If I'm not mistaken, Backflip is this EXACTLY like this phone. Only thing is the KIN probably won't get firmware castrated like the former.]]>Apr 12th 2010 2:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/Apr 12th 2010 2:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
Me on the other hand: I want this functionality on my Windows Phone 7 device!]]>Apr 12th 2010 2:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
So.... maybe the device is for teens in highschool? Is that really such a terrible market to target?]]>Apr 12th 2010 2:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/Apr 12th 2010 2:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK2tWVj6lXw&feature=fvst]]>Apr 12th 2010 2:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
And it's known that the Backflip has more features than the KIN will, but that's simply because of the smartphone/featurephone comparison. How many people buying the Backflip are gonna root it; and if the KIN is priced no higher than $30, is it justifiable for people to pay $70 more for real-multitasking and (locked down) 3rd party apps?]]>Apr 12th 2010 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
Yeah, it is a bad market. Because they all have iPhones now. ]]>Apr 12th 2010 2:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/Apr 12th 2010 2:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
Zune Pass service (perhaps included in the month to month bill) is an excellent idea. I think these phones have the potential to be much more than simply feature phones.

The phone/camera capabilities already put Kin 1 & 2 way beyond that of most (all?) feature phones. Zune music w/ subscription is another selling point. Facebook/twitter all in ensures success imho. Perhaps the demographic is different to that of the average engadget user but maybe thats a good thing for once.
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What about plan pricing? Is it the same as VZW's actual "smartphone" offerings?

]]>Apr 12th 2010 3:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
I agree. You don't have to be a social network junkie to get value out of this. With the high end-ish camera and LED flash, ability to shoot in HD, Zune mutha-f'n Pass!, and that nifty Kin Studio. (plus I use WL to back my stuff up generally). With the right price this could replace my current phone/camera. The social networking would be only a bonus in my situation.]]>Apr 12th 2010 3:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
Exactly! This is great! I know exactly where Microsoft is going with this. Teens will be all over this. The UI is pretty nice too. I think this is going to do real well. I'm still getting the HTC EVO for Sprint but, I might consider the KIN for my younger sister or cousin, I'm sure they will have fun with this. ]]>Apr 12th 2010 3:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/Engadget , when Microsoft releases KIN , you give full coverage and full applaud.
Dont you think , that this is not innovation but another copy.

A copy of MotoBlur and you never gave so much attention to MotoBlur.

]]>Apr 12th 2010 3:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/Apr 12th 2010 3:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/Apr 12th 2010 3:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
-1, and ungeeked. ]]>Apr 12th 2010 3:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/Its not trying to be an Evo 4G, this is going up against dumbphones. I think it will do well, although personally I have little interest in dumbphones anymore. ]]>Apr 12th 2010 3:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/Apr 12th 2010 4:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
Course, unless Microsoft forgot the phone app.
[In Microsoft's office]
Ballmer: [screaming] WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE FORGOT THE KRIFFING PHONE APP? THIS PHONE GOES OUT FRICKIN' NEXT MONTH, YOU NINCOMPOOP!!
[At Engadget office]
Josh: So, wait, guys, how do you call someone on this thing?
Paul: What's that?
Josh: Like you....oh, forget it. ]]>Apr 12th 2010 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/These phones look nice, I bet they'll make a lot in the teen/young adults market.]]>Apr 12th 2010 4:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
Of course I might be wrong. High school kids do seem to love messaging phones. I think Kin fits in between messaging phones and smartphones, and they would really have to get the pricing right to get the messaging phone crowd to buy these phones. Smartphone folks are not interested, as reflected by many Engadget comments]]>Apr 12th 2010 4:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
This is segmented toward the younger crowd, that doesn't need the robustness of a true smartphone. It's akin to giving a teenager who needs a Phillips head screwdriver only what they need instead of a giant sack of expert tools they don't really have a need for.]]>Apr 12th 2010 4:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
No video games means i wont be buying it, what 18-25 year old does not have at least a few cell phone games on their phone?]]>Apr 12th 2010 4:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/I'm pretty sure that the reason why the Kin website is in Flash instead of Silverlight is because Microsoft wants you to be able to access the site on other things like a Mac or Linux. Silverlight is only supported by Windows.]]>Apr 12th 2010 4:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/Apr 12th 2010 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
The real kicker on this is how much the plan is going to cost. Kids don't buy phones, parents do. If the phone is under $100 on contract and has a data plan $45 or less, they will get it. It will be the cheaper iPhone alternative. Sure, all those kids may WANT iPhones, but they will buy this, and I think will be pretty happy with it. Plus, their parents don't have to pay for tons of $.99 fart apps.]]>Apr 12th 2010 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/INQ do ones on 3 mobile here on the UK, with some great deals at like £20 a month, not bad for unlimited facebook, twitter, msn and the likes.

other than that, it depends how good the camera/speed of internet is for how well this will do.
do a camera review ASAP! :D

]]>Apr 12th 2010 4:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/The more kids get those things in their hands the more buzz the Windows Phone 7 gets created for the holidays.



Looking more and more like I'll be trading in my blackberry for a Windows 7 Phone come the holiday unless RIM comes out with something special.
]]>Apr 12th 2010 5:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/Apr 12th 2010 5:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
WHAT A HOT MESS

God Microsoft just when I think you've turned things around you go and do THIS....]]>Apr 12th 2010 5:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
Yeah, Microsoft seems to have a winner on their hands with these devices... especially for the younger market.

And the carriers will love it too... because they will get them to subscribe to a $30/month data plan and a $15/month Zune Pass subscription, too.]]>Apr 12th 2010 5:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/Apr 12th 2010 5:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
And you know cause you already played with the KIN, right...
Embrace new technology by other companies... It's not all about Google and Apple... It's COMPETITION.]]>Apr 12th 2010 5:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
Actually that's not true. Silverlight is available on mac and Linux too but in a way you're right, everyone has flash so it's easier to use flash]]>Apr 12th 2010 6:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/Apr 12th 2010 6:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/it's bizarre how you and others compare every product to android or iPhone. Not all devices are for engadget geeks or business people. Stop your elitist bs and realize there are many markets with different needs than you may have. It's pathetic to see so many tech lovers with their heads in the sand.]]>Apr 12th 2010 7:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
Simply put though, this phone is not for us. I wonder how many here can grasp that concept.]]>Apr 12th 2010 1:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
Dont waste your breath N900. Im here with you on this one. Its not a feature phone. This is the perfect phone for my niece. ]]>Apr 12th 2010 1:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
Spot on - teens and tweens. Just had a look at the website and the concept looks pretty cool even if it is being wasted on a bunch of Gen Z bedwetters.

Oh and get off my lawn!]]>Apr 12th 2010 1:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
Well, then.. where's the Bieber edition?]]>Apr 12th 2010 1:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/Apr 12th 2010 1:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/microsoft-kin-one-and-kin-two-first-hands-on/
They're competitors to Samsungs/LG's crappy cheap touchscreen dumbphones, and seen in that light, I think they're pretty awesome. Of course, the average Engadget commenter completely fails to see that positioning, but that's a given...

Also, coming to think of it - does the fall launch in Europe indicate that the Zune Store/Pass will finally become available over here as well? And maybe the Zunes as well?]]>Apr 12th 2010 2:05PM