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Maybe the sell more 15 inchers and less 17 inchers....make more money where then can?]]>Apr 13th 2010 10:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
Any new TOS with this? Maybe we are only allowed to use it for 5 minutes out of every day, in case it gets a little warm?
]]>Apr 13th 2010 10:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/Apple is smart to use JUST that exact thinking to their benefit and ripping us off with a hand full of options and lower than expected specs. Say what you want but these mac books really should have been better speced!]]>Apr 13th 2010 10:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
As much as I love my 3 year old 13" Macbook, these new 15" and 17" MBPs are just too damn expensive for what you get. Every other day on FW or SD you can find a 17" i7 with a 1080p screen for around $1K. I agree that Apple's software, aesthetics/unibody and customer service are positively top of the line, but we're talking about 2-3x as much. Not to mention that "pro" features such as a blu-ray drive, built-in 3G/4G modem, GPS, USB 3.0 aren't even available!

And yes, I'm preparing for downranking! :-)]]>Apr 13th 2010 10:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
Ok, at this point, do we really need to say that Apple's hardware is overpriced anymore? That should be common knowledge at this point.

With Apple, it's not about the hardware, it's the overall experience and customer service that you pay for. If you're that concerned about better hardware specs, there are many vendors that you'd like plenty more that Apple.]]>Apr 13th 2010 10:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/Yes but if I wanted to be able to boot the MAC OS whenever I needed, I would be stuck on Apples hardware! That is why I care. And yes it is expected, but that in itself is the problem, people have just given in to their demands,; that says a thing of two about where we have come has consumers. Imagine if Apple was a government system that acted in this manner? Whats worse is that Apple is not a government but a corporation, which is worse.]]>Apr 13th 2010 10:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
That is all.]]>Apr 13th 2010 11:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
To all who think you need a "monopoly"to have an anti-trust thrown against you (and heard in open court), as I so often read tossed in iPhone OS comments and other areas here, you have to look to areas that are focused on protecting consumers before corporations. IBM is involved in at least 2 right now, and any precedent there could well lend its way to be used against Apple should suit ever follow.]]>Apr 13th 2010 11:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/Apr 13th 2010 11:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
I'd guess it's not that he's "that concerned about hardware specs". It's that he doesn't have ANY desire to pay $3K for a home use machine.

For a home-use laptop, most people want machines in the 15-17" size. They also have little to no need for high end specs, as they generally only use the machine for browsing the internet, managing picture collections, and consuming music/movies. Apple is COMPLETELY turning off all but the most affluent consumers in this demographic.

It just doesn't make sense to me why they don't offer a 15" and 17" MacBook (non-Pro), particularly because if they did, it would be my next machine. $2K is too much for me to spend, when I can get a laptop that does everything I need it to do, and do it almost as well, and look almost as good (which is pretty low-down on my list of priorities), for only $500. It's not that I'm "too poor", it's that I (at least tell myself that I) have too much common sense :-)

I LIKE Apple products, and I understand that they maintain high price points to be this "aspirational" brand, but I think that even a $1200 starting price-point on a 15" laptop is fairly aspirational.

]]>Apr 13th 2010 11:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/Apr 13th 2010 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
Agreed. I bought a Studio XPS 16 from Dell a couple months ago when the i5's first came out and I paid $999 for it. Even the HD4670 in my laptop is a step above the 330m in the MBPs, and it comes with 1920 x 1080 RGBLED screen. It's a better notebook in every way but good luck getting OSX on it. Some people simply prefer OSX, and to each his own.]]>Apr 13th 2010 11:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
Obviously you were NOT downranked. And if anyone did, it's a sure sign that they are in denial.]]>Apr 13th 2010 11:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
if apple was running the government, our taxes would be double, and there would be no national debt. All government employees would also be treated like Gods, and the rest of the world would have to covert to HTML 5.]]>Apr 13th 2010 11:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
Yes we do need to point out the Apple is twice the price! I hope we nag so loud that Steve Jobs can't sleep at night. Price is a valid criticism with any other computer manufacturer out there, so why should Apple get a pass? OSX isn't worth $1200.]]>Apr 13th 2010 11:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
According to their recent sales quarter reports, it most obviously is.]]>Apr 13th 2010 11:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/"Whats worse is that Apple is not a government but a corporation, which is worse."
LMAO my last sentence was pretty fail, -1]]>Apr 13th 2010 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
Just because the cattle are grazing, doesn't mean it's a good place to graze.]]>Apr 13th 2010 12:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
Agreed, I'm a Mac user, and would hate the idea of going back to Windows, but these things are way overpriced.

I've also gotta say, I think it's in poor taste to raise prices this high in a bad economy.]]>Apr 13th 2010 12:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
Looking at Apple's site, it's actually a price DECREASE for the 13' MBP. I say that because they are offering 250 GB storage for their base model, where the previous model only had 160 GB.

I'm not saying these things are now "value priced", but I thought it was a distinction worth pointing out.]]>Apr 13th 2010 12:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/Apr 13th 2010 12:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
Macbook $2200+tax My Vaio F $1180+no tax
2.53GHz Intel Core i5 processor - 720QM i7 processor
500GB 5400-rpm hard drive - 500gb 7200-rpm hard drive
INVIDIA GeForce GT 330M 512mb - Nvidia GeForce GT 330 1gb
4GB DDR3 memory - 4GB DDR3 memory
17" 1080p display - 16.5" 1080p display
Backlit Keyboard - Backlit Keyboard
Mini DVI - HDMI
DVD drive -BlueRay drive


Hmm........ Let's Look at differences. I see!
We have to pay about $1350(tax include).for Mac OSX, 2.5 hour battery life, and Aluminum body. Still you don't have HDMI and BlueRAY.

Did I riped Sony off? Or Apple Trying to Rip me off?]]>Apr 13th 2010 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/sorry about terrible text

Macbook $2200+tax----------------------------- My Vaio F $1180+no tax
2.53GHz Intel Core i5 processor ------------ 720QM i7 processor
500GB 5400-rpm hard drive ------------------- 500gb 7200-rpm hard drive
INVIDIA GeForce GT 330M 512mb -------- Nvidia GeForce GT 330 1gb
4GB DDR3 memory ----------------------------- 4GB DDR3 memory
17" 1080p display -------------------------------- 16.5" 1080p display
Backlit Keyboard ---------------------------------- Backlit Keyboard
Mini DVI ------------------------------------------------HDMI
DVD drive ----------------------------------------------BlueRay drive


Hmm........ Let's Look at differences. I see!
We have to pay about $1350(tax include).for Mac OSX, 2.5 hour battery life, and Aluminum body. Still you don't have eSATA,HDMI, BlueRAY and Windows7 for bootcamp.

Did I riped Sony off? Or Apple Trying to Rip me off?]]>Apr 13th 2010 12:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
You can't count in tax on your purchase price. Just because Sony didn't charge you tax doesn't mean you aren't obligated to pay it. By law you still must declare this as an out of state purchase on your yearly tax return and pay taxes on it.]]>Apr 13th 2010 12:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
sorry about that I will fix to $1150 more]]>Apr 13th 2010 12:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
You mean $1020, right? (2200-1180=1020)]]>Apr 13th 2010 12:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/Inserting a bunch of stupid and useless ports (esata, usb 3) with sub-standard overall performace does not do any good.]]>Apr 13th 2010 12:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/Apr 13th 2010 1:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
Based on my experiences with several bricked iPods (hard drive failures/battery life) I'd say my apple customer service experience has been way less than stellar.

I was really close to pulling the trigger on a 13in $1199 model (I feel like it's the best "value"), but then I saw that post on the u30jc...]]>Apr 13th 2010 1:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/Apr 13th 2010 1:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/Apr 13th 2010 1:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/Apr 13th 2010 2:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
the price increase doesn't feel too bad to me because the old base 15" only had the 9400 graphics and the 2k 15" had the 9400 and 9600. this time both have the same 330gt 256 graphics cards in them, and the only difference is the processor, and the hard drive.

If I was in the market today I would buy the base with the higher res screen. ]]>Apr 13th 2010 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
The question is....will this be like last year and will there be new pros in a month?(hardware)]]>Apr 13th 2010 2:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
I always downrank people who tell me to go ahead and downrank them. They asked for it!]]>Apr 13th 2010 2:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
What about battery life?]]>Apr 13th 2010 2:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/Apr 13th 2010 2:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/Are we talking about this Vaio: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921666067742

Macbook $2200----------------------------- Vaio F $1199
2.53GHz Intel Core i5 processor ------------ 720QM i7 processor
500GB 5400-rpm hard drive ------------------- 500gb 7200-rpm hard drive
INVIDIA GeForce GT 330M 512mb -------- Nvidia GeForce GT 330 1gb
4GB DDR3 memory ----------------------------- 4GB DDR3 memory
17" 1920x1200 -------------------------------- 16.5" 1600x900
Backlit Keyboard ---------------------------------- Backlit Keyboard
Mini DVI ------------------------------------------------HDMI
DVD drive ----------------------------------------------BlueRay drive

In this case you get double the battery life (this Vaio comes with the standard 4h battery), aluminium case, macOSX, better resolution, 0,6" more screen for 136g less weight, and yes less ports, no Blu-Ray. Also multitouch trackpad for the Macbook and LED screen (no info on that on the Vaio).
I think that is more correct. Correct me if I am wrong.]]>Apr 13th 2010 3:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
Ok, the fruit company is getting too full of itself now. Are they really charging us more for the "new tech tax" that come with the spec-bump, or the "Apple Experience"? Seeing how the specs for the entire lineup are in line with mid-tier notebooks that have been out for at least two-three months now, there's nothing cutting edge about the new MBP specs to warrant shameless price increases due to new tech. Likewise, there doesn't seem to be any improvements made on the OS or other significant MBP-only feature that distinguishes it from its immediate predecessor and makes for an improved "Apple Experience". Having brought up these issues, where is the justification in the price increase? The price increase due to the hardware specs is quantifiable, but many die-hard Apple fans seem to think that the "Apple Experience" follows no conventional/rational way to quantify its worth. If that's the case, then shouldn't the "Apple Experience" at least be quantifiable relative to its own history? If so, then based on the past, the cost of the Apple Experience shouldn't have increased the price, considering they haven't done so even when they improved the OS and MBP-only features.

I'm an Apple customer (owned a Mac Pro and MBP from two gens ago), and seeing Apple increasing prices over nothing out of the ordinary is a shame. It seems to me like they've been blinded by the cash flow from the consuming sector (iPod, iPhone, and now, iPad) that they're no longer paying attention to what the creative sector might want.]]>Apr 13th 2010 3:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/You missed one, Vaio F has number pad on it.]]>Apr 13th 2010 3:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
That said, I run Fusion, Windows 7 and Office on my MBP, so I'm covered.]]>Apr 13th 2010 4:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/The Vaio has a LED screen and magnesium case (which is much better than plastics but less to aluminum) .
There is a multitouch trackpad . Plus you have Blu-ray standard, but you can choose not to.
And the resolution is 1600x1900 or 1920x1080 if you're willing to add 150 more. And the vaio displays are better than those of Apple computers, I even dare to say Vaio has the best laptop screens on the market.]]>Apr 13th 2010 5:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/MacBook Pro: Become a Pro at wasting money.]]>Apr 13th 2010 5:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
I'm a bit biter I bought the top of the line MBP in September.. but oh well =(]]>Apr 13th 2010 6:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/Apr 13th 2010 6:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/
I am sure that OSX is Great product. Also, iLife and iWork is great. However, I don't really use them a lot. My primary purpose is Web Development. Most of my friend who is Web developer use Macbook Pro. They simply loves it(they have iphone too). But we all agree that Mac is pricey.

I don't say people who bought Mac(i was one of them), is stupid. They are willing to pay extra money for OSX. I just wanna say that "Don't project Apple to BMW or other high-end car brand. They don't share same engine with Honda Civic."]]>Apr 13th 2010 6:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/if you wan an experience go to a Jimmy buffet concert. It's a workpiece, not a rollercoaster.
And apples don't really cut it well as work pieces.]]>Apr 13th 2010 7:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/Apr 14th 2010 12:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/macbook-pro-core-i7-unboxing-and-preview/Point taken. As I said, I didn't find the info in the specs section. That's all. To get the same resolution as the Apple you must already 150 as you said - stuff like this. I know the Sony screens are very good, but I would say that the only reason they are better than Apple's ones is the glossy crap (which I am using right now and am not happy with). I a may be wrong, of course :)

@raiden8383 I just wanted to point out some things that seemed important to me, no bashing intended or something; to each his priorities :)
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