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Fail comes in a package, and Kin is this package.]]>Apr 13th 2010 2:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
meanwhile, 15 minutes later; Captain, we have received a sub space transmission; it simply reads DERP]]>Apr 13th 2010 2:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
I'm in my 30s and I know everyone, maybe even MS, believe it's targeted towards teens but this could be pretty useful for my meager requirements from a phone since I use Facebook and Twitter (I haven't seen too much of the phone yet so can't make a final judgment on whether to get one). But for my old self, 15 minute intervals are fine, I check Facebook maybe only twice a day and Twitter maybe once a day. If anything, this might keep me more "connected" than I plan to be. I don't mind getting my emails in 15 minute intervals, whoever wrote me can expect to wait at least 15 minutes for a reply.]]>Apr 13th 2010 2:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/If you check Facebook once/twice a day, then this is DEFINITELY not for you. Either way, here's an easier solution: ANY ANDROID PHONE WITH A FACEBOOK WIDGET.]]>Apr 13th 2010 2:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Apr 13th 2010 2:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/I hear you, but maybe you're too old. Everyone uses social networks for faster communication, otherwise we'd still be married to email. Social networks are like SMS with pockets...]]>Apr 13th 2010 2:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
Fail? the "immature social network APIs" argument is valid. Most social networks relay on polling instead of using a subscribe/publish messaging architecture. My guess is that their service will become more streamlined (no pun intended) once their service becomes better integrated with the different social networks. Collaboration is key in the mobile advancement of the web.]]>Apr 13th 2010 2:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/The Kin OS is missing some features that, in my opinion, are crucial for social networkers. First of all, there's no native calendar nor is there support for syncing your Outlook or Google calendars. If Kin's main goal is to connect people together, then why isn't there a way to create and share events via a social calendar? There's also no native IM client, which seems strange for a phone that's built for messaging. Lastly, Kin lacks support for uploading photos or videos to Twitter. You can upload videos to your Facebook or Myspace profiles, but forget about Twitter. Also, if you're a heavy app user, you'll be disappointed to learn that there's no software development kit currently available for the Kin phones, nor is there an app store. For now, you're stuck with what's preloaded on the device which doesn't even have some sort of photo editing or video editing software built into the studio. To edit a clip or photo, you have to download it to your PC first, edit it in a third-party program, then re-upload to the Kin Studio to share with your friends.

If this isn't a fail, I don't know what is.]]>Apr 13th 2010 3:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
Is the average kids sending 5 messages a minute? why they accept 1 every 15 minutes? I think someone will need to upgrade their servers.]]>Apr 13th 2010 3:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
Honestly, what teen uses a calendar. I don't know anyone who uses a calendar unless they do for work. I don't think the calendar is going to be a huge deal. You are also describing things that a smart phone has, which this phone is not. Yes so regular phones have calendars and IM but the calendars are hardly usable (don't sync natively for example).

This is a new phone, first generation with the ability for over-the-air updates. If Microsoft finds it critical to have an IM client, they'll make one and push it out. When they're ready for the calendar they'll push it out. The key feature of these devices and WP7 devices is the over-the-air updates. We don't have to wait for the carrier to decide when they're ready to update, Microsoft will just do it Windows Update style. They can easily port Facebook apps and other things if people who use these phones express that it is what they want. Right now it's just a bunch of techies saying it should have this and that, where in reality a 13-year old kid would be discovering the capabilities for days if not weeks or months as they see how the timeline builds.

To us they look like crap and are missing a lot of features but then again, how many of us were running and analyzing surveys and discussing with their target demographic? ]]>Apr 13th 2010 4:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
You mean Apps. Yeah, I hear there uh... pretty common nowadays on...

Oh... this is a feature phone? Thanks Microsoft...]]>Apr 13th 2010 4:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
photos & videos to Twitter??? R u ok?]]>Apr 13th 2010 7:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
If you only check once or twice a day this could work for you. Android is always on and always downloading. ]]>Apr 13th 2010 9:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
dude, this is simply phone with really interesting media features, nothing more, nothing less. You probably own iPhone or Droid. Get over it, this phone is not for you.]]>Apr 13th 2010 12:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Apr 13th 2010 12:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Apr 13th 2010 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
REASON: It can't be done on a 15 minute delay]]>Apr 15th 2010 2:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Apr 13th 2010 2:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Apr 13th 2010 2:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
Real men use F5.]]>Apr 13th 2010 6:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Apr 13th 2010 11:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Apr 13th 2010 2:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Apr 13th 2010 2:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Apr 13th 2010 2:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Apr 13th 2010 2:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Apr 13th 2010 3:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
In 15 minute interval pings, you will see a very minor drain on batteries. It's only when the phones are set to every second - 5 sec ping that will drain your battery.

15 minutes is actually a good compromise without killing the battery.

For example, even on the E71, if I set the phone to ping services (about 3 services) and update accordingly, the battery lasts about 10 hours. Ok so you're thinking 10 hours is good, but for an E71, 10 hours is pretty horrid.

Once I set it to check every 5 minutes, the phone will last almost 2 full days.

For the target audience these devices are aimed at who probably don't know or care enough to fiddle with settings, auto-setting it at 15 min intervals is a good solution. The reality is, even with per second pings, you usually dont get ppl updating that quickly anyhow. You find that in practical terms, you will get an update every 5-10 minutes from the friends on your networks.

15 min intervals, obviously, is too long if you are a power-user.]]>Apr 13th 2010 3:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Apr 13th 2010 10:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Push notifications rarely works, and at least Kin users get to see a list of notifications!!!

I'm a user and lover of the iPhone OS, but even this is better. Seriously. ]]>Apr 13th 2010 2:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/This is better? Are you on crack? Even iPhone haters don't think this is better.]]>Apr 13th 2010 2:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
I love my iPhone and I truly believe it's the most well-rounded OS out there come 4.0, but the notifications suck bawls.
]]>Apr 13th 2010 2:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Apr 13th 2010 2:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/]]>Apr 13th 2010 2:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/I think your point is weak,
Push works well for everyone otherwise people will make huge deal out of it! It always push me the information within a minute, maybe you set something wrong there. How can a 15mins delay be better?]]>Apr 13th 2010 2:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
What I'm saying is, the delay sometimes occurs anyway on iPhone OS (although it's not likely as long a delay, but it's not always instant), and at least this piece of crap OS has a list that displays notifications you've received, instead of iPhone OS where you can only possibly have/view one at a time. ]]>Apr 13th 2010 2:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Apr 13th 2010 3:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
Well, don't tell MS its a dumbphone... they see it as their first batch of WP7 phones....

:'( you made ballmer cry

By the way, the name is still... so... very weird to me... first Bing now this?

At least Amazon's getting some free advertising]]>Apr 13th 2010 3:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/because that defeats the purpose of a notification service, does it not?
That would be like "pull notifications"... nothing about that sounds appealing.]]>Apr 13th 2010 3:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/This is not WP7.
It's Windows DumbPhone 7.
Big difference, even though Windows Phone 7 is pretty damn dumb. ]]>Apr 13th 2010 3:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
Kin devices are not a Windows Phone 7 devices. They are a series of the Windows Phone family. Kind of makes sense of the whole Windows Phone 7 Series naming. I'm guessing if they would have kept that name these might have been Windows Phone Kin Series. Which actually sounds even more horrid.]]>Apr 13th 2010 4:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
I know, they're going to phase WP7 in over time, but... I'm failing to see the 'customer loyalty' they're going to set up for WP7... by releasing this thing.....]]>Apr 13th 2010 4:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/

first bing, now Ballmer..does sound a little weird, you are right..]]>Apr 13th 2010 8:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Apr 13th 2010 2:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
Not to mention when it alerts me to tell me someone commented on my status, I click ok, and none of the comments are visible even ones I have loaded before! Plus there is no way to refresh it and even when I exit the app and go back in still nothing loads...

The facebook app sucks bawls and their PNS rarely works properly.]]>Apr 13th 2010 4:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Apr 13th 2010 2:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
Of course, we still don't know how much these phones will cost and what data plans will be required for them. If pricing is comparable to smartphones, it may be fair to put them in the same league as smartphones. But something tells me MS is going to make these really cheap to differentiate Kin from smartphones and especially their Windows Phone 7 line of phones.]]>Apr 13th 2010 3:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Apr 13th 2010 12:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
It's so funny reading these kinds of threads.

It's effing Fifteen Minutes! If you are anything like some of my Facebook addicted friends, you will be spending at least that much time writing on everyone else's walls! Perhaps all you guys just need to be permanently plugged into The Matrix.]]>Apr 14th 2010 3:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/
The rest of this is just peanuts.]]>Apr 13th 2010 2:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/13/microsoft-kin-notifications-have-up-to-fifteen-minute-delay/Apr 13th 2010 2:31AM