http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/Apr 21st 2010 3:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/Apr 21st 2010 3:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/It's true that HTML5 is great, and I love it from a web standards point of view, but there is still a lot it won't do.]]>Apr 21st 2010 3:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/How can we solve this predicament. HTML5 is still a ways away from taking over Flash's control over internet video but it will likely eventually happen even if it's a few years from now.

I know how to fix this. Support both like Android. Problem solved.]]>Apr 21st 2010 3:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/I kinda feel bad for people who can't differentiate a programming language from a markup language]]>Apr 21st 2010 3:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
"Oh, I don't view flash that often!" Not on purpose, you don't, but if you browse the web a lot on your device, you're gonna come across a flash ad on every other page. That loud sucking noise you hear is Flash... draining your battery.]]>Apr 21st 2010 3:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/Apr 21st 2010 3:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/Thank you! (Although Flash isn't either... ActionScript is)]]>Apr 21st 2010 3:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
You don't need to feel bad for flash yet,

because ATM it still owns and apple still has nothing.

Obviously thats likely to change, but you're discounting ADOBE a bit
early.]]>Apr 21st 2010 3:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/Apr 21st 2010 3:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
Video-wise though; yeah, we're a ways off from ditching Flash.]]>Apr 21st 2010 3:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/To be honest, I don't f**king care. Android, iPhone OS; HTML5, Flash.

ALL I WANT is just SOME way to stream videos on my iPod Touch other than the videos on youtube. Apple should quit being so stubborn and work with Adobe, or convince the world to switch to HTML5.

GO!!!! NAO!!!!]]>Apr 21st 2010 3:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
Working on it.
--Steve

Totally NOT sent from a next-gen iPhone, you guys.]]>Apr 21st 2010 4:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/Apr 21st 2010 4:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
Flash's potential lies in opening relatively effortless cross-platform mobile application development to a vast amount of web devs. A rich but functional UI is not something that typically bogs down the machines. It's the unnecessary fireworks that are so loved by the marketing depts. What Flash authoring environment needs, though, is a really well thought out resource profiler, so that all the budding app devs coming from designer background learn to optimize for mobile devices.

As for web surfing, in some form or another, you _will_ have the option of disabling the plugin, but even then, it's nice to at least have the option of enabling it, if need be.]]>Apr 21st 2010 4:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
Apple, you brought this on yourself. While Google, Blackberry platform and users soon will be enjoying flash, you will sitting there in the corner, slapping your own big mouth.

Buying iphone and ipad soon will be like buying a HDTV without the SD TV capability. There are a few HD channel and many more to come in a few years but have to miss all the current massive SD channels. So basically putting your money on a future technology without realizing by the time the technology finally mature, your old device will be obsolete. ]]>Apr 21st 2010 4:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/Apr 21st 2010 4:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/Apr 21st 2010 4:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
How come? cuz html5 can play Doom? ]]>Apr 21st 2010 4:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/I don't care if it is buggy, crappy or whatever... Steve, let me decide whether to use it or no!]]>Apr 21st 2010 4:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
You're right in spirit, but -- not to be a total HD nazi or anything -- the comparison should be digital TV without analog TV capabilities. Every HDTV has SD display capabilities. It's the digital vs analog thing that makes the difference. Every high-powered TV station was required to go full digital by the government -- but a handful of low-power stations were allowed to remain analog. And just because a station went digital, that doesn't mean they went HD. A lot of stations in smaller markets didn't.

Back to point -- yeah, Flash makes total sense in the here and now. Every business dealing with the web is dealing with flash. There's a significant investment in tools, product knowledge, platform, etc. They're not just going to abandon that.]]>Apr 21st 2010 5:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/Apr 21st 2010 5:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/Apr 21st 2010 6:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/that's how the world works i'm afraid. Instead of supporting another company's technology, Apple's managed to convince people that iAds will be less intrusive and annoying. An ad is an ad plain and simple.
Anyway everyone knows text link ads are superior for page relevance.]]>Apr 21st 2010 6:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
I don't understand what's so open about Flash. Are there any non Adobe Flash players out there? Where can I download the source code to Flash player? Adobe needs to focus on making HTML5 tools. The same tools they have for creating Flash files, they need to make it create HTML5.
]]>Apr 21st 2010 6:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
Future my foot. ]]>Apr 21st 2010 6:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
Adobe needs the extra time not devoted to Apple to get their CRAP out the door!

btw another quarter another 8.75 million Internet accessing mobile devices not coming to Flash site developers anytime soon.]]>Apr 21st 2010 6:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
In the 3 Years I have used the various iPhone models, you know, not once have I ever needed Flash.

It's just one of those features people want cause other phones have it but when they get it, they would just be like "what is this for anyways?".

Boggles the mind.]]>Apr 21st 2010 7:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/Also, everyone says flash causes computers to crash, even ones with i7 or whatever. Will I have a Mac with a 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo, 2GB's of RAM and an NVidia Geforce 9400m and Flash I not a problem. Maybe because i'm not like a power user really, I only ever have max 5 or 6 apps open at once, but my computer crashes sometimes but not with Flash really. I have never had Youtube crash on me as far as I can remember. Ever. Really. Or the videos on engadget. A couple flash built websites, but only if I'm doing lots of other stuff at the same time. But again for me lots of other stuff means iTunes, LastFM, Tweetie,3 or 4 browser tabs, Komodo Edit, one tab in a different browser, and maybe an FTP program. No video editing programs, games or Photoshop.
But I'm not a Flash fanboy or anything, I do think HTML5 is the future. But, well, in the future. ]]>Apr 21st 2010 7:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/Apr 21st 2010 8:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/Lol Srsly? Can your HTML5 do 360 degree video?
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2010/01/world/haiti.360/index.2.html]]>Apr 21st 2010 8:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
Adobe can't put Flash on any device running iPhone OS as it hasn't been released on ANY mobile platform.

It's vapourware.]]>Apr 21st 2010 8:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/if you support both, then proprietary flash will never go away. Flash is not a standard - it is proprietary and monopolistic. People forget this fact.]]>Apr 21st 2010 9:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/Apr 21st 2010 9:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/you wait till steve jobs gets his way, an advert every 10 mins, and if you dont listen to it fully it shuts down functionality of your device, then shuts your device down

at least with flash ads all they do is slow you down a lil bit and drain a bit of battery.
benefits of flash > the drawbacks, Benefits of iads=none existent :)]]>Apr 21st 2010 9:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
Android is supporting Flash only because it's a check box v. Apple. Full flash support will either increase the cost of hardware or performance will likely be poor. We'll see.

There was a time a few months ago when Google and Apple were worth the same. Then Google did Android and now Apple is worth almost $50b more than Apple! Isn't that ironic!]]>Apr 21st 2010 9:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
Nokia is the future! ]]>Apr 21st 2010 9:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
Agree with you that Flash is the immediate future and HTML5 is the distant future. Big fan of HTML and its openness etc.... But Flash is here now, and I don't even like Flash sites, I want to read most of my web content, not have it spin around my screen at 100 mph!

Also agree that Flash doesn't have to bog down systems, even less powerful ones. Do some Flash sites slow down my netbook? Sure as hell they do, but I don't mean to upset the programmers here, that's a bit on your guys. Does anyone on this site remember the days when processors were measured in mhz???? Yeah we still had 3D and all that stuff... resources just had to be more efficient. A 64-bit i7 quad core can run the sloppiest shit in the world because there's plenty of power under the hood. A 600mhz iPhone, Android or Palm has plenty of power too. Its about writing good code.

And now to lash out at Apple fanboys for one second... Flash won't slow down the iPhone seeing as it can't multitask so there's no reason to worry about it slowing down other programs!]]>Apr 21st 2010 10:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://opensource.adobe.com/ ... All that you need is there, including most of the source of the Flash Player. You can't really blame Adobe for nobody writing an alternative Flash Player even tho they released the code behind it. Flash Platform is open, some of the Adobe tools and apps are closed, but nobody stops you from writing your own player. It is as claiming that HTML/JS is a closed technology just because you don't have the source for Safari or Internet Explorer...]]>Apr 21st 2010 10:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
http://appadvice.com/appnn/2010/04/access-flash-sites-cloud-browse/]]>Apr 21st 2010 10:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
But they don't. So it's not. Good Bye, Adobe.

As an aside, there was no mobile web before Apple gave it to us. Remember WAP? The mobile web before Safari on iPhone was text. This is a frontier that Apple opened, and they hold the keys to the gate of the largest range.

Anyone who doesn't think Adobe has this coming, especially from Apple, and especially now that Apple is back on top... well, you simply haven't been paying attention.

]]>Apr 21st 2010 10:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/Apr 21st 2010 10:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/Apr 21st 2010 11:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
"ActionScript is managed, interpreted language. Much like Java, Perl, Python, Ruby, PHP, and, lo and behold - C#, C++, VB and everything else running under .NET."

Not really, while PHP's bytecode can be cached by the server, in essence it remains a 100% interpreted language, hence you don't have to rebuild after you change a single line of code. Java, Actionscript are both core languages, they just aren't compiled into machine instruction like is the case with C++. They use bytecode which is to be managed in their respective runtimes. My point is that there are differences that are worth noting.]]>Apr 21st 2010 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
That's funny.

I pretty much found the browser to be terribly limiting from the moment I started using it. Nevermind Flash. I would just like a proper browser with correct handling of basic HTML elements like frames and combo boxes.

Without the app store to make up for the crappy browser, the iPhone experience would be very much like using an Archos.]]>Apr 21st 2010 12:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/Apr 21st 2010 12:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
Uh oh, someone woke Krwame up, our resident Apple endorsing poster.

Are you on some sort of rewards program with them Nkrumah, or do you just feel the need to be a zealot all over these forums daily for no other reason then to post the usual inaccurate FUD.]]>Apr 21st 2010 12:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
Inaccurate? Maybe if you got a proper functioning brain, you would understand what I'm saying. ]]>Apr 21st 2010 12:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
Nice attack Kwaame. Get a functioning brain! zing!

Let us see, you only post in Apple related threads, or whenever someone mentions anything to do with Apple in a non-apple related post. You defend Apple, spout inaccurate info when needed, and act in a general fanboy manner.

Keep it up, good work]]>Apr 21st 2010 12:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/adobe-halts-investment-in-iphone-specific-flash-dev-tools-has-a/
Adobe has HTML5 export in Flash CS5. Although it is very limited, it is just the beginning.
]]>Apr 21st 2010 1:16PM