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HE SAID APPLE KNOWS BEST!]]>Apr 21st 2010 3:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 3:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 3:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 3:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 3:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 3:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 3:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/
Apple should have been named Oracle!]]>Apr 21st 2010 3:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 3:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/
made my day ]]>Apr 21st 2010 3:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 3:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/
Mixed Drank]]>Apr 21st 2010 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Glad I can manually switch mine.]]>Apr 21st 2010 4:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 5:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/
The day these new MBPs came out I was jealous as sin, but it looks like us 1st Geners are getting the last laugh ;)]]>Apr 21st 2010 5:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/*1st Gen Unibody Macbook Pros i mean...

GUYS, EDIT BUTTON PLEAAASE!]]>Apr 21st 2010 5:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/bad batch of unicorns this time :(
:P]]>Apr 21st 2010 5:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Question is, will you get it? Opinions. http://j.mp/corei5i7-series-macbook]]>Apr 21st 2010 5:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 6:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 9:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/
Apple is basically committed to Intel brand processors and to Nvidia OpenCL specs for the best performance of their software. It is what it is. Intel is a childish monopolistic company but AMD chips just don't do what Apple needs on the laptop front.

Apple realized their mistake for using Intel "extreme" video a bit late or they probably would have included the integrated nVidia chips sooner. Trusting Intel to make better chips probably did make the porting process of the whole OS to a different architecture much easier though.

Back to the issue at hand, Apple is committed to hardware acceleration when they need it. This is a key difference between Windows that will let the hardware and software drivers lie to you and Apple stuff. It's been known that certain features of iPhoto09 and Snow Leopard for example didn't work on older Macbooks because hardware evolved. In the Windows world they just keep "bolting on" another software patch or layer of binary compatibility who cares if your dial-up modem or printer driver eats up 50% of your CPU, right ... on Mac they trim the fat but you have to "keep moving forward" or you'll get left behind. It's a development choice sacrifice eternal marketshare or have the best machine that's reasonably priced.

Intel's "integrated" chips lie about what they really support and the drivers map routines common in Nvidia hardware to CPU cycles making them 10x slower... Microsoft Vista lost the PR war for EXACTLY THIS REASON. Intel begged Microsoft not to demote Intel chips for their Poor 3D and Microsoft paid the price when everybody got Vista Premium on their "extreme" graphics laptops that had 3 year-old graphics nobody could upgrade to properly run Aero. ]]>Apr 22nd 2010 12:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 23rd 2010 4:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://techslaves.org/isight-disabler/
It disables the driver for the iSight camera via a AppleScript. I imagine someone could find the driver for the discrete GPU and modify the AppleScript, thus giving a user controlled way of shutting down the power sapping GeForce GT 330 for sustained battery life savings.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 6:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 26th 2010 8:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/
Oh well, it won't get here for a whole, chances are it'll get fixed before then (hell, who am I kidding.. I'll be tethered to a wall with it.)]]>Apr 21st 2010 3:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/
You sort of bring up my concern on this. How does this change their touted "8-9 Hours of battery life" on the 15 and 17 inch MBPs?]]>Apr 21st 2010 3:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 3:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/
Don't worry, Apple's version is waaaay better than Nvidia's. Right, Apple?]]>Apr 21st 2010 4:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/
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My point is that, in my opinion, Apple's major edge over other, PC based, laptops is it's battery life. Some will argue there are other worthwhile advantages but, for me, the price/performance ratio makes the macbook very unappealing. The main "pro" I could make for it was the very good battery life, and that might not be as good as they claim.
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The last gen had an issue with the SATA controller. Then when they fixed it it had a problem with SSDs. Looks like this is this gen's problem.]]>Apr 21st 2010 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/
1. iPhoto makes sense. It's a consumer app yes, but it can also use a lot of power. And more than playing back 720p video.
2. Lightroom 3 b2. Ok, this sounds like a bug. Photoshop correctly identifies itself, so it's certainly possible. This question should be how does Lightroom 2.6 or 2.7 respond?
3. You mentioned Chrome was buggy. Clearly this isn't normal. Chrome asking for more power while playing video could be caused by who knows what. The fact that it doesn't return should be fixed, but this sounds like a chrome issue.
4. Quicktime. The question is only on 720p video? Does it need to be switched?
5. Safari: Safari should hopefully treat video like any other video apps. Quicktime and HD Flash should get more power when they need it. For the most part, they can operate semi-independantly of Safari.

There's two problems for graphics cards: Performance and Battery Life. If you think it's not behaving right, then is one of those two really a problem? If it is, then something needs to be fixed, if not…then well, it doesn't seem like a problem. ]]>Apr 21st 2010 7:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/
"Nvidia knows how to manage this better then Apple they where probably just to impatient to give them time to make a mac solution and this is what happens"

With respect, nVidia doesn't exactly have a flawless track record and Apple's solution (if it works) makes much more sense. Optimus has the flaws that it doesn't disable the integrated graphics when using the discreet GPU and it relies on a published whitelist to determine when the discreet GPU is needed (or not needed, I'm not certain what the default assumption is if the application is not listed). In contrast, Apple's solution will disable the integrated graphics when not being used and effectively enables the application running to decide what it needs based on the graphics frameworks that it is using.

Still, it has to be said that Apple's solution is only better if they make it work properly. However, I'm not really seeing anything here that gives me cause for concern, with the possible exception of the Lightroom issue that might just be a bug in the current beta.]]>Apr 22nd 2010 5:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 3:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 3:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/That's Apple alright. Attractive on paper (as long as the paper in question is written by Apple), will likely not work or at least do more harm than good (*cough* iTunes).]]>Apr 21st 2010 3:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/
iTunes does more harm than good? I'd love to see you quantify that.]]>Apr 21st 2010 5:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 5:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/
It's weird seeing Engadget complain that you have to quit Chrome to drop it back into integrated graphics mode since that's exactly what you'd have to do for a whitelist too, except the whitelist would have started using discrete immediately instead of waiting until you started playing a video. Plus it's obviously a problem with Chrome not cleaning up after itself properly when you're finished watching the QuickTime video.]]>Apr 21st 2010 5:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 3:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Probably start their own]]>Apr 21st 2010 5:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 3:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 3:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 3:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 3:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/Apr 21st 2010 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/21/macbook-pros-with-nvidia-geforce-gt-330m-silicon-making-question/
Baconbits wins this entire post.]]>Apr 21st 2010 3:26PM