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Hmm the Palm Pre is an excellent phone.. but its a little late in the game for an AT&Ts release...]]>Apr 23rd 2010 9:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/Apr 23rd 2010 10:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
How do you figure?

99.99999% of the people out there don't follow every single brand new phone release like some of the people on this site. They don't care if a phone is "ancient"... and by that I mean older than 2 months according to gadget-hounds. Most people still use a "dumbphone" and yet this very powerful smartphone costs about the same price (not including the extra monthly costs).

The Pre still does pretty much everything that any Android or iPhone can do... and many things that those phones can't do. ]]>Apr 23rd 2010 10:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/Apr 23rd 2010 10:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
Agreed. Good quality products don't really sell any more, it's all about marketing nowadays. :-\]]>Apr 23rd 2010 10:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/WebOS on AT&T isn't going to do much for Palm at this point and the next iPhone will be hot in the Pre/Pixi Plus' heels. i'm sure many of the AT&T salesbots will be telling people to wait for the next iPhone anyways. Let's not forget Windows Phone 7. If the first handsets launch in September, then we should start seeing ads in some form a couple of months before that. And we still don't have a solid date for Palms on AT&T.

Better late than never, i guess. But it's a pity they didn't have them around Christmas. Launching any time in the next couple of months, it'll just get buried and let's face it, AT&T isn't the carrier to promote a smartphone on if it's not the iPhone.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 10:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
Same handset, different packaging!
I'll look again when Palm comes out with the new handsets that Jon keeps giving hopes about. I love WebOS but this handset is just a no for me! Wish they start licensing WebOS soon, so that HTC can come out with a decent handset for which I would be willing to wait in a line since 7am in the morning. Yes, 7am... no handset can yank me from my bed before that!]]>Apr 23rd 2010 10:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/Apr 23rd 2010 10:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/"iphone 4g(not Wimax though funny apple).
wrong.
there is no iPhone4g. The '4th generation' iPhone is iPhoneHD*. iphone4g is a name commonly used in blogs to refer to the '4th generation' of the iPhone. It's not an official name. There's nothing 'funny' from Apple's end so far.

• iPhone
• iPhone3G - iPhone [3G support]
• iPhone3Gs - iPhone [3G support][speed]
• iPhoneHD* - iPhone[HD support**]


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*iPhoneHD - 'official' announcement pending
**exact HD feature-set unknown
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The next iPhone is still 2-3 months away. WinMo7 is about 6 months to go. There is a nice window of opportunity for the Pre to get some sales if it comes out with in the next couple of weeks. At what point do you stop this endless cycle of "oh, but something new is coming out in X months!" Something new is always coming out, but if your contract is expiring now, chances are you are going to see what's on the market right now... not something that won't be out for 1/2 year.

Also the Pre is probably going to be much cheaper than either of those two other phones - AT&T's ad campaign maybe should market the Pre as a very powerful smartphone at dumbphone prices.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 10:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
You don't seriously think that Average Joe Consumer has heard "Android" more than "Palm" do you?!?

Palm has been around for almost 20 years... they have sold literally millions of Palm Pilots and similar devices. If you said "Google phone" then sure, they might have heard of it, but the average consumer has no idea what Android even is.

In general though, I think name recognition is secondary to simply seeing what's available at the local AT&T store when your contract is up. Clearly many people pick the iPhone, but if they aren't into that and want a keyboard and a very slick-looking phone, then the Pre might get a few sales.
But if it's not even available, then obviously people can't buy one, so AT&T better hurry the frack up and release it already. ]]>Apr 23rd 2010 11:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
Point is Att should release it before next *g *phone comes]]>Apr 23rd 2010 11:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
It's ancient by any consumer electronic standards if you ask me tho, launched on Sprint almost a year ago no? Yeah WebOS is still very capable regardless of Palm's future, but this won't get the PR push it needs, not when it launches alongside several Android phones and anything coming from Cupertino.

If it didn't sell well on Verizon, there's absolutely no reason to believe it'll do better here... And Palm probably spent far more adapting it to GSM in the process. Seems really really pointless to me but AT&T could be to blame just as much as Palm for the late release so it's tough to be too hard on Palm.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 11:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
The Pre has had a couple GSM versions since around the time it initially launched. Yes, even one with AT&T 3G. All it took on Palm's part was a keyboard swap and importing the things here.

And it's completely possible the thing will sell better on AT&T than it did on Verizon. AT&T is a GSM carrier. You can use it if you travel. For some people, that's a requirement that can't just be overlooked.

Realistically though, I still don't see it selling absurdly well.

]]>Apr 23rd 2010 12:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
Oh absolutely, it's not like anyone expects for this to be some huge hit, but every sale helps. And the amount of work needed to get the Pre onto AT&T is rather minimal, so it's not like this is what is holding up new Palm phones from coming out. ]]>Apr 23rd 2010 12:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
It's way too little way too late for Palm when it comes to the Pre.

It's time they realize that they need new hardware and a fresh start...AGAIN.

I mean it's cool to launch this but most people will prob not bite. Especially if they feel more comfortable with iPhone, blackberry, samsung, lg, or hell even windows mobile.

Palm I want to see your NEW flagship device in a form factor that is similar to the iPhone with a bigger screen and some sick specs working with webOS in there.

Then it's GAME ON.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 12:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
It is apparent that you like WebOS - and I can't blame you, but every single time I hear someone say that it's "too late for the Pre" or something along those lines, they have yet to back up WHAT ABOUT the Pre that makes it supposedly "old".

Seriously, what can the iPhone or Android do that the Pre can't? I could understand previous comments about the Sprint-version in which the Pre had some poor build-quality, but the Verizon version looks and feels much more solid. Besides quoting meaningless specs - I'm talking about what it can actually do. There is essentially nothing "old" about the Pre... multi-tasking, UI, wi-fi- hotspot, keyboard, not-sluggish, has 3D games, camera, video editing.

I personally wish it had a landscape keyboard, and I know some like a bigger screen, but the overall features of the phone seem to make it more than competitive with anything else on the market.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 12:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
Before it was multitasking vs iPhone, but soon that won't be true. I think that's a big deal because what was the Pre's biggest differentiator is now just something it does better.

I honestly think webOS is very good, but it missed it's chance because the smartphone market is just moving too fast.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 1:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
I think it's more the fact that the Pre had build issues and overall the form factor itself isn't to my liking.

PLUS aside from Apple no other company does the whole "release only 1 product once a year at a specific time" model.

Palm itself released the Pre, then the Pixi, and then the "Plus" versions. So to me the Pre seems more dated. I'm not arguing hardware wise that it's a failure. I think it could use alot more apps of course but that's another situation.

And as the guy above pointed out the iPhone is on top right now so if Palm wants to compete they need to get the ball rolling.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 1:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
-Edit documents
-Voice recognition (search, sms transcribing)
-Accelerometer/GPS/Compass aware apps ie. Layar
-any type of Flash
-homescreen widgets

I can keep going, but you get the point. WebOS wins hands down from a usability perspective if you can avoid the "too many cards" problems.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 3:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
The real price is closer to $600. Still too pricey for what it is. This thing needs to be priced at $300 (full retail) yesterday.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 3:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
Thank you for the list. At least someone knowing the limitations of a device/OS then people can get to work to improving it. And honestly I don't know if any of those are hardware limitations so if it's an issue with just software, there are chances that there could be an update to fix it. And Palm seems to be very good at updating the OS in a fairly timely manner.

Concerning the GPS thing though, right from Palm's site, it says it has one and you can use Google Maps.

Either way though, the stuff it can't do versus the stuff it can do, and the stuff it is the ONLY one to do (wi-fi hotspot) still makes it a very competitive product in my book... even at the ripe old age of 10 months.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 4:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/Apr 24th 2010 6:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/Apr 25th 2010 12:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/Apr 30th 2010 5:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
*sad face*]]>Apr 23rd 2010 9:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/Apr 23rd 2010 9:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/Apr 23rd 2010 9:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
(Does Palm have any guns left?)]]>Apr 23rd 2010 10:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-sales/promotion/webos.jsp

this is whats being pre-loaded
AT&T Applications:
AT&T NavigatorSM
YPMobile
AT&T Address Book
AT&T Wi-FI Hot Spots]]>Apr 23rd 2010 5:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/Who the heck needs stupid ATT Navigator?!!!? We have Google Maps, no need for *anything* else!]]>Apr 25th 2010 12:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/Apr 23rd 2010 9:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/Apr 23rd 2010 10:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/Apr 23rd 2010 9:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/...]]>Apr 23rd 2010 9:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/Apr 23rd 2010 9:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/Apr 23rd 2010 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/palm-this-is-your-survival-guide/
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What's the part you found non intuitive? The gesture area? Even if you didn't know what it was it takes all of 2 seconds to figure it out.

I don't know what phones you're used to, but WebOS is about the most intuitive thing on the market.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 11:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
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"Palm & Tivo are similar companies."
...
]]>Apr 23rd 2010 10:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
ZOMG! You can quote!

Care to enlighten us as to why you felt the need to quote that when the previous poster clearly explained his position.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 12:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/Apr 23rd 2010 10:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/Apr 23rd 2010 10:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
You can't beat your dog with it, so I'm surprised you're interested.

Love,
SPPT

p.s. We Atlanta Falcons fans don't miss you.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 10:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
From what I can tell, not really. The Backflip definitely had a lot more garbage than this phone.

AT&T Nav seems to be the only installed software from the carrier.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 11:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/
And maybe it's just my area/visual bias, but I've been seeing a lot of pre's around lately, about as often as I see Droids, maybe a little more. ]]>Apr 23rd 2010 10:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/Apr 23rd 2010 10:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/atandt-palm-pre-plus-unboxed-in-glorious-orange-detail/Apr 23rd 2010 10:13AM