http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/Apr 23rd 2010 7:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/Agreed. Will take the oportunity to buy cheap LED TV's hehe]]>Apr 23rd 2010 7:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/Apr 23rd 2010 7:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/I agree. The PS3 is too slow to do anything high quality with 3D.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 7:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/Apr 23rd 2010 9:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/Woah cowboy...did you just use Sega Master System to prove a point!? Wow that's like comparing early automobiles to current models on the market. Both your points used red and blue glasses...completely different tech. If you haven't seen it you should keep your mouth shut. I love how every compares theater 3D to the TV version...once again different tech. ]]>Apr 23rd 2010 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://bit.ly/3d-goes-to-tv]]>Apr 23rd 2010 6:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
Then one day Sony will just decide to remove it, just like OtherOS.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 7:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
Do you really think that? Sony removed otherOS because they want to make more money and realize completely screwing over a smaller number of customers was worth it, as their devs are already pissed about pirate potential (I know, the PS3 isn't pirated, the devs think it's pirated a hell of a lot, though not using Linux yet).

I don't see why Sony would remove a feature that moves their IP. Maybe you're just some kind of fanboy, or just joking around.

You should try 3D out. It's a lot better than you seem to think.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 7:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
95 percent of the people bitching about Linux never even used it, and even then, Linux on PS3 was a half-baked, under powered option.

Most people were complaining because there were a select group of individuals up in arms and everyone else wanted to be part of the unruly mob.

The only thing I'm still pissed about not having any more in the PS3 is Backwards Compatibility -- but because that's a feature that is actually really useful.

Or were you one of those people who truly enjoyed gimped Yellow Dog on a console, instead of utilizing a proper PC release of Linux like everyone else should?]]>Apr 23rd 2010 7:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
Thats just me talkin' smack because I'm still pissed at Sony.

But seriously, 3D is a somewhat cool idea in theaters, the implementation of Avatar, and Clash of the Titans was awesome.

But then I go to Best Buy and the experience was much less than Stellar. Nothing popped off of the screen. Everything is contained inside the TV, like watching a fish tank.

And the whole idea is horrible with $50 to $180 glasses that you have to wear.

If 3D goes anywhere, it will be with glassesless tech, on 70" screens.

Probably 3 1/2 years from now....

]]>Apr 23rd 2010 7:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
Actually Ubuntu (Jaunty) was my weapon of choice.

And it wasn't really gimped when it enabled bluetooth, the PS3 controller, wireless, and the occasional blu-ray rip.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 7:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
I'm pissed too man, that otheros shit really burned me. Seriously, I was really into working with the cell and it totally sucks. I'm a huge PS3 fanboy and I'm sore as hell about it.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 8:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
Just curious, what projects were you working on, exactly? Any important research, or just some render work?]]>Apr 23rd 2010 8:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/Apr 23rd 2010 8:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
Well, considering my original 80gb model contracted the Yellow Light of Death, I'm sort of S.O.L. on the whole B/C front by circumstance.

I have a PS2, yes, but I dislike switching inputs when I don't have to, and I also liked the fact that the PS3 upscales PS2 and PSone titles to match my TV's resolution.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 8:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
I think you guys are missing the point with the other OS option. It doesn't matter if you used it or not, what matters is that they removed a feature that you already paid for when you bought it. If it came with 2 controllers does Sony have the right to demand I send them back one or come to my house and take it because they want to sell more accessories? I paid for that other OS option, and it was my choice to use it or not. ]]>Apr 23rd 2010 8:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
actually Sony didn't forcably take the feature. You chose to connect it to the Internet and download the update that killed it. Before you downloaded it, it even warned you that it would be gone. I chose to update because it's not a feature I ever used.

Sony did not 'take' anything.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 9:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/Apr 23rd 2010 10:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
I paid for a PS3 that was advertised (I have the box and it says so right here) that I can play lots of games online and also have Linux.

Sorry, but of course by forcing me to choose having a functional machine (many of the games I already bought require I'm logged in) or Linux, which I was learning to code for and making a demo I was trying to show to a studio, as well as working on Fedora's powerpc distro to have better support for PS3 peripherals.

I am not going to pay $20,000 for the capability to do that now, and of course, that's why many dev studiso are complaining about this problem. It's expensive to train, and lots of folks will learn on their own if they are interested. The PS3 is extremely powerful if you learn how to work with SPEs. I was really just scratching the surface, and I'm sure I wasn't going to shake the earth, but this affects thousands of homebrew devs and some of them would have.

Also, Sony broke their promise, and that matters. I understand why they did, but I think they should have invested money in compromise solution I have discussed before.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 2:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
That seems pretty damn interesting and I hadn't really considered it. It's great that the resolution was already way higher than I can see. Wipeout is one of the best Mario Kart style racers ever made (where you pick up powers that you can use to compete). And it's the best online racing I own, too. I played a demo of GT5:P and the idea that this is a gimmick is a total load of crap.

The movies might be a gimmick... I know Avatar was awful and had a abyssmal plot. But for games, you ARE the mental state behind the game's activity, and it has a seriously major effect to be immersed. With older graphical games, the graphics were not realistic enough to make this work, but PS3 graphics, and a lot of Nvidia's modern 3D games are far and away realistic enough to give you a sense of fear of speed.

It's no gimmick. It may not be worth the price for you on day 1, and some of the games will be gimmicks and lame as usual, but the idea of 3D HD gaming is bigger than a lot of other enhancements lately. I think it's going to be a big freaking deal.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 7:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/My biggest problem with all this 3D hoopla is that this is yet another graphical upgrade. I wanna see some better physics and AI in games damnit. Destructible walls shouldn't be a selling point for an FPS (for example), it should be a given. I wanna see proper cloth simulation for all those robes and ribbons the "manly men" wear in fighting games and not have them float around like they're under water. Where are the racing games in which I couldn't tell a human racer from an AI?
I wanna see a push to enhance those aspects of games, I don't care if the in game models get extra 2 millions pixels for each pimple, or that I can see up a characters nose with all those hairs "surrounding me" in 3D.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 7:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
Hey, no kidding, man. Every one of these companies loves Sony's clever little way of preventing anyone from having the latest and greatest for more than a few minutes.

And as soon as the 3D upgrade cycle dies down, they will announce something else that's expensive. Personally, I actually think this one example, 3D gaming, is pretty sweet, but I usually yawn and wait until things are cheap.

It will never end. The last thing you should do is buy the current hyped stuff if you're trying to be smart with your cash. It's only annoying until you get used to it and realize they are just trying to make a zillion dollars... and these days anyone who can manage that is creating jobs and keeping the wheels on the economy.

Think of early adopters and people subsidizing your purchase of old schoooooool]]>Apr 23rd 2010 8:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
Excellent point. For games, much more than movies, I'm very interested in the 3D tech for exactly the reasons you listed.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 1:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/Frankly I can't wait to hear the end of all this buzz about 3D.
Why not spend time upgrading cameras an tv's to record and playback at 60fps instead.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 7:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
why would it have to be instead?

Why don't YOU do that? Oh... you think "they" should? Maybe they are doing what they (and I) think is totally sweet and likely to sell more product, and if you're right, are leaving a niche for you to exploit.

I'm pretty sure a lot of TVs put out 200 frames per second. This tech requires ... 120? I don't give a crap about super awesome cameras... it's all about the internet and good compression. But you go ahead and do that. Sony is probably working on it too, since they love ridiculously oversized storage standards.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 7:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
James Cameron himself stated the importance of increasing recording and playback fps in films during one of the BTS videos on Avatar. I just wish he/they, whoever, decided to push for some sort of new technology to bring the masses to cinemas had chosen to do it with high fps video rather than 3D.

Personally I find it more immersive watching motion interpolated video via the TV processing it (100hz-240hz) than I do with 3D effects.
Many of my friends and colleagues are getting headaches watching 3D for more than 10-30 minutes at a time.

Don't know about 3D without glasses. Haven't seen it yet so can't judge.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 10:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
Such a gimmick.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 7:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
I'm interested in people's opinions about 3D...

would you call it a gimmick if it was glasses-less?]]>Apr 23rd 2010 8:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
I would indeed call it a gimmick. A good story will immerse me in a film much more than flashy visuals. Visuals help, but they only get you so far.

Maybe it's just because whenever I've seen 3D implemented it was distracting, especially if you don't watch a film in 3D. Maybe movies will get better about it but there's always a scene where it's like "oh it's coming at you". Lame.

The big difference with games is that you'll have a lot more coming at you in every scene - bullets, shrapnel, that goblin you just dodged. That said, I feel it'll only be distracting. ]]>Apr 23rd 2010 9:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
Wow complaining about bullets and enemies jumping out of the screen... go back to your solitaire and mah-jong games.

The rest of us are tired of highly detailed, yet flat enemies, weapons, and surroundings.

Everything is a gimmick. The day an amazing game with 3D comes out, all of you are gonna be praising it for it's use of 3D.

The same crap happened with avatar and it's gonna happen in gaming.
]]>Apr 23rd 2010 2:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/Apr 23rd 2010 6:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/Apr 23rd 2010 9:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
Yea, but I heard he got a new groove.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 9:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
LOL!]]>Apr 23rd 2010 9:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
Sorry guys. ]]>Apr 23rd 2010 9:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/Apr 23rd 2010 8:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/Apr 23rd 2010 9:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/Apr 23rd 2010 10:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/Apr 23rd 2010 10:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
Everywhere you look, your looking at 3D. How do you manage that? Do you walk around with one eye covered? Then you'd be seeing everything in 2D.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 10:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/I don't notice much of a difference when I close one eye. The only noticeable change is that nearby objects are no longer seen in double. ]]>Apr 23rd 2010 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/Do me a favor please, cover one eye, and go play catch with someone, record that, then post it on youtube for all of us to see.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 6:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
1. You still have to wear glasses. For the birds.

2. He played with Pilot Assist turned on, which keeps him from smacking the sides of a track. Weak sauce.
]]>Apr 23rd 2010 11:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/Apr 23rd 2010 11:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/Next is the Nintendo 3DS
Seriously.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 5:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
For pete's sake, people. Withhold your judgement until 3D comes out and everyone sees it! Most of the comments I've read so far on this page are from pretty finicky people.]]>Apr 23rd 2010 12:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/The technology is out and available for sale in stores.
Local stores are selling (well trying to) and demoing Monsters V Aliens 3D and pseudo 3D generated content on Samsung TV's already.
I don't see what else we need to experience before passing judgement. ]]>Apr 23rd 2010 5:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/
1) Content - Poor Availability
2) Equipment - New
3) Quality - Low
4) Experience - Low

Impressions of 3D - Low
]]>Apr 23rd 2010 8:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/23/playstation-3s-3d-implementation-explained-may-require-upscali/Apr 24th 2010 5:06AM