http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Apr 29th 2010 9:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Apr 29th 2010 9:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Apr 29th 2010 9:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Apr 29th 2010 9:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/7th - iAd.]]>Apr 29th 2010 9:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
He thinks because he uses HTML5, CSS, and Java that Apple is open.. wow.]]>Apr 29th 2010 9:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
Get with the program. You're going to lose out on a lot of views if you don't go to HTML5.]]>Apr 29th 2010 9:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
Dear Ignorant Fanboys,

As you know Apple is not evil, it's only practical. So all this badmouthing of Adobe you've been hearing about, it's only because Flash affects battery life. We hate them because they rob you of an extra 5 minutes on your apple device. As usual, it's all about you. Now hand over your money.

Your God on Earth,
Steve Jobs]]>Apr 29th 2010 9:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
It's for the "olds"... Has he used Xcode and Cocoa?... It's like going back to 1970.

Developing in Flash is so much more user friendly and not to mention there are 10 fold more Flash developers than Xcode devs. All Adobe needs to do is tweak the mobile flash player and make it great. Not that it's bad just really silence the nay sayers. IMHO.

So since HTML has been around before all of this is it for the olds? This logic is flawed. ]]>Apr 29th 2010 9:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
He never said Apple was open, only that they use open standards, which flash is not.]]>Apr 29th 2010 9:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
And this multi-platform argument is not quite valid as well:
Why not give developers a chance to decide themselves if they want to use a multi-platform compiler even though it may not be 100% up to the latest apple enhancements? Let them decide on their own...]]>Apr 29th 2010 9:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/]]>Apr 29th 2010 9:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
For the web, that is. I'd never argue that Apple uses open standards for anything else.]]>Apr 29th 2010 9:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Apr 29th 2010 9:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Does anyone remember the "Fight the Power" ad from Apple in which a girl was throwing a hammer at a dictator? Why do I get the feeling Apple is the dictator now? Like they say: "Absolute power corrupts absolutely!"

Apple's policy stinks to the hight heavens, you can't dictate what can run on a device I purchased with my own money!]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
I really hope the mobile Flash player for Android comes soon. Stand alone Flash "apps" are going to be it. And you won't need to jump through a million hoops and fork over 99$ a year to let people experience them. Fuck the Apple stranglehold. I like their devices but this stubbornness is getting really annoying.

Jobs should just give us the option to use Flash I say. Set the default to off. Most people who use iPhones probably won't even know where to turn it on anyway. Put up a disclaimer stating that the use of Flash may ruin everything I know about everything in the world. I don't care. Anything just give it to me!]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Couldn't he just make flash optional...even disable it by default but give the user the option of installing? Bluetooth and wifi eat the battery much more than flash...we just disable it when not in use or live with less battery. Why does he allow those techs if he is so concerned about battery life]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
Why is it odd?

And I agree with him for the most part...especially the FLASH argument.

Between Youtube and the various dedicated companies using HTML5 or apps I'm FINE.

I don't understand why some of you are not understanding this.

The average consumer just doesn't care.]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Apr 29th 2010 10:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/No has got more attitude then Apple, except for Adobe. They didn't have to abandon their Flash to Apple compatible source code. Apple just doesn't want proprietary libraries to sift through for quality control. Nothing says Apple would reject source code that compiles on their compiler, it's impossible for Apple to lock out obfuscated code while letting other human written code in. Duh. Adobe is just throwing a temper tantrum. They made great improvements when they first purchased Macromedia and then dropped the ball, outsourcing and isolating Shockwave, destroying Flash's UI and losing it on security and standards compliance. If they aren't careful, they'll end up like Aldus, or Silicon Beach. Horrible.]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Apr 29th 2010 10:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Apr 29th 2010 10:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
Apple can't win with some of you people, no matter what they do.

Me, I'd be happy to see Flash fade into obscurity. It's time.]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
No one is arguing that Cocoa is open. Is Cocoa used in web development? Remember, the web is completely out of Apple's control. All they are doing here is arguing their case, not actually forcing their hand anywhere. Adobe, on the other hand, can do anything they want with flash and everyone using it is bound by it.]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
Flash and ActionScript has barely changed since Adobe bought the platform from Macromedia an it's in desperate need of an overhaul, not just from a developer perspective but for end users too. ]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
Java != JavaScript]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
Dude the bottom line is that this is another opportunity for the Apple Haters to bitch and moan.

We all know Flash is outdate and absolutely a hot mess of code. Its not needed and its not that serious.

However certain people are losing their minds trying to keep it relevant just in order to have a talking point against Apple.]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Apr 29th 2010 10:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Apr 29th 2010 10:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/You mean like OpenGL and UNIX security, POSIX compliant shell scripts, and proven user access control a nearly a decade before Windows?

I hate UAC on Windows. That loose GUI API that let's developers highjack UI processes (i.e. Explorer toolbar hell, yahoo pizaz bar, google, digg, crapola launcher 2000, etc.) will never come to OS X any more then Viruses will. Sorry, it's not a popularity contest, it's about quality.
]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/

It's part of the Adobe Open Screen Project, which you can find here:

http://www.openscreenproject.org/

In fact, only part of the SWF file format that remains closed is the stuff they are unable to disclose due to patents, like codecs such as H.264.... Amusingly, something that Jobs himself heralded as something 'open' in his little diatribe. Far from it: H.264 itself is not open at all. In fact it's heavily encumbered in patents and licensing snafus:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Patent_licensing



So yeah, you're falling for the Steve Jobs spin. Whoops. Always consider the source of information before accepting it as fact. ]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Apr 29th 2010 10:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
I think Adobe can only be partially blamed here, if at all. If a browser plugin is causing the whole system to crash, you blew it.]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
I find it very hypocritcal that his first criticism is that "it's not open". What do you call the iPhone platform, then?!]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Apr 29th 2010 10:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
I think if you guys actually *read* the statement from Jobs, a lot of the comments here might be more positive or at least make some kind of sense. Half the ractions here are just knee-jerk hatespeak. ]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
Go make me a custom, entirely flash website using no Adobe products.]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
IE they do NOT WANT cross platform clones ala "burnout" from EA which runs on everything from the nintendo DS/PSP, the ps1/ps2/ps3 xbox, xbox360, wii.. using essentially "the lowest common feature set"

In short apple is saying "if you dont wanna take full advantage of the platform, dont bother"

IE You do get to choose, you get to choose between taking advantage of the platform, or not targeting the platform at all.]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Apr 29th 2010 10:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Apr 29th 2010 10:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Apr 29th 2010 10:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/

and we all know your views are distinctly less than average.]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Apr 29th 2010 10:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/I think that's the main reason why browsers crash: plugins and poor API standards. Have ever seen your grandmother's Internet Explorer? It's got about 1 inch of web page viewing space and sh*tloads of plugin browser toolbars sucking CPU cycles. You won't ever see that on Safari. Ever.]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Apr 29th 2010 10:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
Steve: "We have routinely asked Adobe to show us Flash performing well on a mobile device, any mobile device, for a few years now. We have never seen it." "

Hey Steve, and all other people locked in the crippled iPhone world:

Get yourself a Nokia N900. Flash is just fine on it.

I'm sure the Flash experience will only get better with the future Maemo/Meego devices.]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
It really just boils down to money at the end of the day. Apple knows a lot of web ads are delivered using Flash... so how do you divert some of those ad dollars to Apple's coffers?

First you create the need to convert these webpages into micro apps making it almost impossible to load any kind of ads, let alone Flash ads. Second you launch your proprietary mobile ads platform aka iAds. Third you rake in the dough by taking a small cut of every ad impression on your platform.

Smart Apple!! Except I don't like the way Apple is bullying everyone around right now and no one is seriously crying "monopolistic".]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
So Adobe flash is an open standard, damn some of you dumb. ]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/Apr 29th 2010 10:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/29/steve-jobs-publishes-some-thoughts-on-flash-many-many-thou/
I think that the people that are the most disappointed with Flash being excluded are developers that use Flash as a crutch to deploy rich media. Learning open standard languages for interactive development increases your value and contributions to the web community and its users. ]]>Apr 29th 2010 10:44AM