http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/May 5th 2010 6:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/"Flash works just fine on the Apple iPhone, thank you very much" hahahahahahhahahahahahhahahhahahhahahahhha!]]>May 5th 2010 7:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/How do you know that it doesn't?]]>May 5th 2010 7:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
+1 for you and an extra +10 cause its a fanboy]]>May 5th 2010 7:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/May 5th 2010 7:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
Why don't they just release it on cydia? That's how everything else becomes and iPhone feature.]]>May 5th 2010 7:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uERzURKtq0&feature=related]]>May 5th 2010 7:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/Java works great on the iPhone too! I've tested it.
Oh, you want video proof? Ehhh, I'll get back to you on that.

But seriously, Kevin Lynch makes a good argument here, one that I've been contemplating for quite a while. By doing this, Apple is defending themselves and developers. People won't be paying for games in the app store if there's tons of Flash games out in the open for free. Developers, nor Apple can collect $$$ if that happens.

The least Apple can do, however, is to let developers use CS5 to develop native apps.]]>May 5th 2010 7:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
Well, Adobe it doing their thing. You're better than petty disputes guys. We were all getting tired of it anyway.]]>May 5th 2010 7:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/May 5th 2010 7:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
It's not about which technology is superior, it's about what makes Apple the most money. Apple is only the champion of free and open technologies when it suits them.]]>May 5th 2010 8:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/Apple can actually let people download flash from itune store to prove how bad flash is.

However, Steve doesn't have the guts to do this.

Not all the application in itune are brilliant. Apple can accept lower quality application to appear in itune store, but it doesn't allow flash.

Just let the world know how "bad" flash is by allow it to appear on iphone/ipad. ]]>May 5th 2010 8:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
Did none of you RTFA? There are already Flash apps on the app store. You can go download them right now. This makes it clear that Apple's intention was never because they worried about the quality of Flash apps, but rather they were just worried about having a competitor.

Here's one of them:

http://itunes.apple.com/app/south-park-avatar-creator/id331751052?mt=8]]>May 5th 2010 8:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
Links to more Flash based (cross compiled) apps:
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashcs5/appsfor_iphone/

So remember kids, this is what Steve is "saving" you from.]]>May 5th 2010 8:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
What about the tons of FREE games available in the App Store?

So you suggest people go to a website using a data connection to play some free Flash game -vs- just downloading a game directly to the iPhone for free?

Here's another thing... if you make a game and put it into the App Store.... you CAN sell it and possibly make some serious money.

How much money do developers make having their silly Flash game spread all over dozens of different Flash game websites... collecting fractions of pennies from ads every time someone visits the page?

I'm not supporting what Steve Jobs says... I don't even have an iPhone. But the "you can get free Flash games online" argument is pretty weak.

Cell phone apps store are huge today... real apps that run on the phone. No one is excited about "web apps" anymore... especially crappy Flash games.]]>May 5th 2010 8:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
I am sure if Adobe dropped Photoshop from Mac, Apple would put out an alternative....

In any case, Adobe should focus on Android. The joojoo is a good example of how effective Flash is on a tablet. Adobe put joojoo under the bus to suck upto Google. So it works both ways... Adobe isn't a Saint either.]]>May 5th 2010 8:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
The funny thing with photoshop is that if they pulled it out of the Mac OS X market, stockholders would scream, "You make how much off of FLASH? And you threw all those Photoshop licenses out the window for FLASH?"]]>May 5th 2010 8:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/May 5th 2010 8:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/I'd like to see Adobe decide that Photoshop works better on Windows and stop developing for it on the Mac in order to preserve the optimum experience.]]>May 5th 2010 8:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
I agree - they should no longer offer Photo Shop for Macs and offer a deep discount to switch Mac users to a PC.
]]>May 5th 2010 9:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/May 5th 2010 9:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
So really there isn't much adobe can do except make sure their tools are amazing enough for other platforms for developers to start complaining. ]]>May 5th 2010 9:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/May 5th 2010 9:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/It has nothing to do with free or paid apps.
It has everything with apple having 100% complete control over which apps become available on the app store.

If flash was available on the iphone then we might see some adult games like sextris designed specifically for use on the iphone, it might even be called iSextris.

Uncle Steve Jobs wouldn't like that very much though, and he knows what is best for you, so you better obey him.]]>May 5th 2010 9:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
Not putting something on a device is bad. Taking something off is horrific. Tech companies who take features from their customers fail in a capitalist society- especially since that wouldn't be unlike a terrorist/hostage situation, and we're all arrogant pricks when it comes to that :D]]>May 5th 2010 10:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
LET ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!!!]]>May 5th 2010 10:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b023AXYGsnc

Watch the CPU monitor in the top-right.

If it runs THAT badly on a 2.8 GHz i7, I can't imagine it doing much better on a 600 MHz A8. And on the older 400 MHz ARM11, like people wanted when the original iPhone came out (and ever since)? HA! Good luck.]]>May 5th 2010 10:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/adobe-ideas-1-0-for-ipad/id364617858?mt=8

so much could have been done .. guess thats wat scared apple. .]]>May 5th 2010 10:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/And Adobe doesn't dare drop the Mac versions of their software because that would kill half their sales. Macs are very very popular with ad agencies and other companies that use Photoshop etc.

As for Lynch's comment, Flash doesn't run on the iphone. period. So the statement makes him look a tad moronic. Now if he had said that Flash works just fine on X, Y, Z other phones with near identical specs so there's no reason to believe it wouldn't perform fine on the iphone, that would be different. ]]>May 5th 2010 10:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
when you wrap software the way that this 'convertor' does, any OS update has the possibility to break the app because the convertor code doesn't work the way that native code would. it can actually make it harder on developers because they have to go back and rework things to fix the problem. Which often means waiting for the folks that made the convertor to redo it.

this is what Apple is trying to prevent. Because f'd up apps means folks screaming for refunds that they agreed they can't get (but feel they are entitled to anyway), apps not selling (costing them the 30%) and so on. ]]>May 5th 2010 10:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/May 5th 2010 11:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/May 5th 2010 11:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/May 6th 2010 12:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
Bend over, Flash fanboys. Apple is coming through. It's all aboard the HTML5 Express from here on. Flash's wheels are starting to get out of round and a derailment is waiting around the next curve.

Hulu said they're working at full speed to get their videos to the iPad. Once that happens, it's bye-bye Flash for that site and the hundreds that are likely to follow.]]>May 6th 2010 12:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
If they are concerned about the lack of Flash on a phone speeding up the adoption of HTML5 then how on earth will removing it from Macs accomplish anything other than force even more web developers look to platforms other than Flash to develop their content with.]]>May 6th 2010 2:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
Who cares?]]>May 6th 2010 2:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://j.mp/steve-jobs-v-apple-review"]]>May 6th 2010 2:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
wow what a horrible argument. You can sell stuff? so you support not having free flash apps]]>May 6th 2010 3:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
Pull Flash from Mac OS X? Fine. I'm sure it'd make news. Now pull Photoshop from OS X? You'd have rioting on the streets! You know how many companies would have to Boot Camp or virtualize just for that? And all the consumer would know is that Adobe pulled it. They wouldn't know why. And when Adobe says "It's because Apple won't let us put Flash on the (Insert Apple Product)", it'll just make Adobe look bad in the consumer's eyes.

It's be funny to see though. And Apple would just release their version of Photoshop that's nearly identical. Look at Final Cut Pro vs. Adobe Premiere Pro. I'm not sure who copied who, but I feel pretty much at home in both.]]>May 6th 2010 3:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/May 6th 2010 3:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/May 6th 2010 5:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/Even if there is free games and apps on the apple store, you can only install those who are approved by Apple.
If you have different ways to access non approved content, you lose your control over the media. (of course that is not entirely true, but, in Steve's mind, thats what he is probably thinking)]]>May 6th 2010 7:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/May 6th 2010 7:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/May 6th 2010 7:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/May 6th 2010 7:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/When they said flash "apps" what they meant was flash "plugin"]]>May 6th 2010 9:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
Your spot on but the so called Adobe enthusiasts can't be bothered to find out they are to busy playing those crappy flash games.]]>May 6th 2010 12:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/lol, search for ANY video of a HTML5 experience on a mac, i mean, you think flash is bad, html5 uses almost twice as much CPU for something thats MUCH worse, go figure]]>May 6th 2010 12:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/May 6th 2010 1:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/adobe-decries-apples-walled-garden-yet-pledges-best-tools/
Right, Flash is a hog. But so it HTML right now and even more so.

https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox/128481db2be7f3eb

Another fanboy fail.]]>May 6th 2010 3:49PM