http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/ Engadget Comments for Intel reaches for the 'smartphone zone' with Moorestown-based Atom Z6, comes up shorthanded http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 2:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/IDK this sounds decent, it's nice to see a little competition for ARM even if they seem to be doing a hell of a job.
I wonder when exactly it will be released, Qualcomm has a 1.3Ghz and dual 1.5Ghz Snapdragon in the works.]]>May 5th 2010 3:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 12:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/]]>May 5th 2010 3:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 3:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 5:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/
Remember, with MeeGo you have one framework (Qt) and you can target both processor families (ARM & Atom)... That's a huge advantage for developers.]]>May 5th 2010 2:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/
>>Remember, with MeeGo you have one framework (Qt) and you can
>>target both processor families (ARM & Atom)
Is this different when you use Android (leaving out WP7 since they are not yet ready)?

For those short-life applications, I will always prefer Java and C# to C++ based toolkit.]]>May 5th 2010 3:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 3:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/
Again, if I want to develop short-life app I will not choose C/C++ toolkit, Qt or whatever.]]>May 5th 2010 7:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/
by your reply I understand you probably haven't played much with Qt. By comparing it with the mess MFC is you seem to miss its point. It's your call to use Java or C# but the Qt toolkit makes RAD and GUI apps a snap.

PS. By the way, there is no such beast as a C/C++. Are you a real programmer or just a script kiddie?! Qt is C++ and has some bindings in other languages, most notably Python.]]>May 5th 2010 9:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/Now, they just have to pray for the apple magician to grab ARM then it will be an easy path.]]>May 5th 2010 2:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/"Carriers aren’t very happy with Apple and Google. They’ve effectively wrestled power away from the carriers and left them as nothing but network providers. ... Intel wants to capitalize on that frustration by offering the carriers an alternative. Moblin won’t be branded, carriers could customize their own builds and do whatever they want with them. The carriers would ultimately limit what could run on their phones, much like Apple does today. It puts power back in the hands of the carrier, which is something they obviously like."

Are we going back in time to where carriers are back in control to screw up the phones even more? I mean really? This is bad news. Apparently the move Apple and Google (note Google, aka the Nexus One, not Android in general) made is not enough. intel, if you're promoting the ancient idea of carrier-locked-down OS, you're a d0uchebag.]]>May 5th 2010 3:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 3:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 3:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/I do not know, but my personal view of Nexus One is to jump start the Android 2.1 (a PR), since the hardware requirement was not really available in the existing phone - that is why the Drois Eris and others are still telling their 2.1.
So to me, the Nexus One is a success in what it is meant to do. My boss here in Japan is about to change his HTC Hero (Docomo) to Desire (Softbank) and I am about to grab the Desire...we will not use anything running less 2.1, so Sony Xpedia 10 (Docomo) is not in our books.

Here in Japan, we have number portability, so if you do not like the carrier, just move with your number to another, you will even get a discount for it :)]]>May 5th 2010 3:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 3:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/>>We in the US also have number portability.
Then you do not have a problem :)

>>...but all the advantages of higher performance and better battery life
>>are gone thanks to carriers screwing up the OS with junk.
Unless it is a single vendor business, the carriers are going to compete for the same customer, so there is little to worry about. Just us you see Verizon working hard to beat Sprint EVO game.]]>May 5th 2010 3:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/
Oh well hopefully someday you people there can actually pay full price of the phone and actually get cheap data plans rather than the most expensive there are.
In Finland 60% of phones are bought unlocked and they got one the world cheapest data plans and every data plan is unlimited, because of all this 700 000 people from a nation of 5,3 million got second data plan for laptop or other phone.
So people get cheap data plans and operators are still making huge profits and those operators are actually growing to here Germany too.
]]>May 5th 2010 4:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 4:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 4:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/>>Well, the problem is each carrier in the US use different radio
>>frequencies/technologies.
That is the real problem.

>>...3G UMTS frequency, so all one need is buy one phone and one can
>>do a switcharoo to one's heart's content.
Here in Japan, you usually do not buy a phone! iPhone is 1Yen (one) here, so there is hardly any cost changing (except for early contract termination).
Previously, if you need a new phone and you do not have enough points to get one free, you just stop the service and start a new one, but with the number portability, you simply move to another carrier.]]>May 5th 2010 7:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/
Only one carrier has the network performance in your area that you require, carrier-locking has a negligible effect and, in theory and seemingly in practice, will bring a greater subsidy due to the revenue stream that a carrier can expect from the phone.

Consumer has financial incentive to stay with the carrier, such as a corporate pricing plan, so again, the greater subsidy will pay off here.

In Singapore it's illegal for carrier lock and this is the only country with such a law, however, the phone requires a contract so for the typical case you're still locked into a carrier or paying a big price to get out of it. If consumers in the US wanted to have non-carrier locked phones that would cost as much as this scenario, they have the option of buying an unlocked phone quite often. I think it's fair to say that without a carrier lock there will be more competition, but for this to ever come people have to utilize carriers outside the top 3 and purchase more unlocked phones (this is probably only in their financial interest on T-Mo but maybe also from the regional carriers and/or the Boost mobiles)...convincing people that this is in their financial interest would be hard. ]]>May 5th 2010 10:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 10:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/"In many cases carrier-locking serves the individuals, which it's why it's supported."
No it's not. Speaking of subsidy, for example, in other countries, you can get an iPhone for free. That's right, free, under contract. Now that's subsidy. Still paying $$$ for a supposedly "subsidized" provider-locked phone only serve the wireless carriers.

"Only one carrier has the network performance in your area that you require, carrier-locking has a negligible effect and, in theory and seemingly in practice, will bring a greater subsidy due to the revenue stream that a carrier can expect from the phone."
1st, you're assuming that people never leaves the country. 2nd, as I already pointed out, where's the greater subsidy? We're still paying $$$ for locked phones. It's fake subsidy.

"Consumer has financial incentive to stay with the carrier"
Consumer already have a financial incentive to stay due to the contract, no need for the phone itself to be provider-locked. Also, once the contract is over, then technically the phone shall be unlocked, but only T-Mobile does this. And again, where's the "greater" subsidy? I have yet to see AT&T selling iPhones for free. Look at the Kin and Verizon's mail-in-rebate scam.]]>May 5th 2010 10:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 3:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/
ARM is still at least a degree of magnitude more power-thrifty.

Yes, the Pre's battery sucks, but there's much more in play than the CPU itself.

I don't see why anyone would want x86 CPUs in their phone. ARM's upcoming stuff like the Cortex A9 in the worst-case scenario competes very favorably with Atom performance wise, and still uses much less power. Intel is fighting a moving target here that they just can't keep up with.]]>May 5th 2010 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 3:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/
the A4 is a 1Ghz Cortex A8, so no match in either performance or battery life. (the iPad has a much larger battery (5times) than the 1500mAh battery from Intel's slides)]]>May 5th 2010 8:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/
in Web- Browsing the Moorestown platform needs roughly 1,1 Watt. So you can calculate how long a device with the battery capacity of an iPad (24,8 Wh) would last. Another Watt added for the bigger screen compared to a smartphone, than you have roughly the same 10 hours battery life, although with much more performance.]]>May 5th 2010 8:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 3:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 4:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 9:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 3:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 4:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 5:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/You'd think they'd be the first family of processors to adopt 32nm. Instead they are making the transition sometime in 2011. Why?]]>May 5th 2010 5:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/
Because process shrinks are difficult and expensive. You may as well ask why they don't just go to 22nm. Just knowing where you want to go doesn't get you there.]]>May 5th 2010 2:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/
Also, sometimes a processor performs better on an OLDER process - I've heard of ARM9 designs that use so little power, the leakage is higher than the CPU power consumption on small proceses, and 180 nm is better than 65 nm in that case.]]>May 5th 2010 7:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/Also some of the slides are showing misleading information - for example claiming that no competitor devices are able to do 1080p 30fps.. Tegra2????
]]>May 5th 2010 5:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/
but Tegra 2 is only capable of the Baseline Profile, as mentioned in the slides (Tegra 2 probably Device A)]]>May 5th 2010 8:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/
Well, the slide says "based on top 5 leading smartphones". They can only compare to existing devices.]]>May 5th 2010 8:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/I don't think "Device A" is referring to Tegra2. More likely as GnillGnoll states - existing handsets. In which case, it's not and Apples for Apples comparison (no pun intended). You can't compare chips that are not to market with devices that have been around for the last 12 months]]>May 5th 2010 8:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 7:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/
Intel SHOULD have to work hard in this case. Their product just doesn't compare to the competition.]]>May 5th 2010 10:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 9:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/May 5th 2010 12:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/1W of power. Wondering about the current draw, seems like this would need something like a 3000mAh battery to last that long with that high of power consumption?]]>May 5th 2010 1:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/intel-reaches-for-the-smartphone-zone-with-moorestown-based-at/
It makes more sense to measure battery capacity in Wh, Ah doesn't tell you much without knowing the voltage. At 1.2W power draw 5 hours of video take 6Wh.

Assuming a typical 3.7V Li-ion cell this means 1.62Ah. Adding some margin, they probably used something close to 1.8Ah .]]>May 6th 2010 6:00AM