http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/ Engadget Comments for Microsoft's 'Menlo' working towards a mobile future without Windows CE? http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 4:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 5:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/
Let me get this straight, Win CE 7, or "Menlo", will heal the injuries inflicted by CE 5?
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I don't believe anyone aside from Guild Wars players understood that reference...

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I'm sorry but after the Courier debacle I have lost my faith in MS. Other than Zune and desktop Windows, that is.]]>May 5th 2010 4:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/
Yeah! it is disappointing they could not pull a project like that. Now, we do not know what this has to do with WP7!

Interestingly, Engadget brought up Bing, which is part of MS's problem. They are chasing Google Search and leaving more room for others to take over their core business. Google is disruptive, and the best is for them to work with them or leave them alone, since they have the money to play is hard. With all the noise from Steve about Google, they are still using Google apps.

With Google success in bringing MS office to the web, MS is about to loose more money - remember Chrome OS demos show MS Office Web?

With HP tablet going to WebOS, if they loose Dell and Asus, then they are doom.

It is about time someone tell them they are doing to pay for the lack of configuration of Win 7 Starter and their refusal to allow the Win 7 Home Edition in rich countries.

Ballmer must go now!]]>May 5th 2010 5:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 5:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/I don't know about that...
I'm not a Microsoft fan by an means, but I think WM7, will be a very competitive OS at the time it's released later this year.
Who I feel should have bought palm is RIM.
I don't see RIM being able to compete much longer with a Java OS, going against these Unix-like mobile OSes...]]>May 5th 2010 6:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/Apple, RIM and Nokia are like McDonalds...fill a hole, won't make you sick, but hardly gourmet.]]>May 5th 2010 7:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/
So please Microsoft. Kill it. Kill it with fire.
]]>May 5th 2010 5:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 6:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 10:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 2:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/Thats kinda of scary to me, if I have a heath issue, I would rather the medical equipment used to save my life to be running a Unix-like OS....]]>May 5th 2010 6:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/Perhaps naming MS headquarters a "campus" wasn't such a bright idea after all... ]]>May 5th 2010 5:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 6:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/
Microsoft is one of the few places in the world outside of Universities where researchers can actually do research without being pressured to create a final product for cash and you want that to end because some geeks on a tech blog got excited and subsequently let down about something they never even announced? Man I'm glad the internet doesn't have any power over what companies actually do.]]>May 5th 2010 1:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/
Exactly!

It is more like companies have influence over what the internet does :)]]>May 5th 2010 4:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 5:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 10:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/
Good good so Friday is the firm release day, now we just need a year, month and date.]]>May 5th 2010 12:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/I think this is great.
Imagine how easy it would be for thousands and thousands of developers to port over programs when they essentially copy and paste their entire code.

Essentially you would have your Windows application infrastructure that we have had since windows 95 and suddenly the app war would be a whole new ball game. But this is probably distant future and I can see how frustrating it is for everyone. Personally I don't care either way.

Bill Gates has been obsessed with tablets for a long time, I suspect he has many ideas, and uses for them that we haven't even thought of.
The iPad is a great success and should be congratulated on doing so, and if you want a tablet then don't wait for microsoft, go get your iPad, it will be a long time before Microsoft get's its act together.
But I think it is better that Microsoft does it their way, it's how they work.
And Steve Balmer did kind of bring Microsoft out of the ashes with windows 7 and zune hd, and windows phone 7. I don't see how cancelling a prototype that wasn't never officially backed by balmer is a shock.

If anything this Menlo project seemed to be a broader and more lucrative idea. And in the statement for cutting Courier, it said a lot of those technologies and concepts would be brought over to new areas. This is probably exactly like courier but more application friendly.

/rant]]>May 5th 2010 5:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/
Hahaha...it was a good rant so it's alright >.< I totally agree with you, especially your objective stance as a tech and gadget fan;)]]>May 5th 2010 6:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/
The problem I have is that this is how some of the executives must think at Microsoft. They must be sitting there in their offices saying, "if only we could make all the programs that work on Windows 7 in a tablet device, people would buy it like hotcakes." But that's totally untrue. The iPad was a success because it used a phone OS that was customized for touch. People can't use a Windows 7 program on a tablet because the controls are all designed for a mouse, not a finger.

Microsoft has been trying to push their desktop OS for tablets for a decade now and it's just not going to work. They clearly have the talent, as evidenced by the courier project and surface, but they really need a cohesive plan to break into the tablet market before it gets off the ground. Otherwise they'll be playing catchup like they are with Windows Phone 7 and that's a place no tech company wants to be.]]>May 5th 2010 1:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/I see your point, but I don't think you see mine.
Selling 1 million, 2 million etc isn't really telling of anything but the skill in creating a sellable product. But the iPad has no longevity in it's current state. It will eventually need a significant software update. An update which does exactly what Mary Jo Foley is talking about.

Using the core of a desktop OS and then culling all the unnecessary elements, cleaning it up.
This is essentially a mobile OS right? The difference is compatibility.

There a billions of applications for Windows, these applications don't need the start bar, the clock, the control panel, but they do need some core aspects of Windows to run. IF these same core elements reside in the tablet OS, you would no longer need to 'port' applications over.

They would run perfectly in the mobile computing sector.
Making the concept of an app store a moot point. 50,000 apps doesn't compare to this sort of compatibility. There would be no need for emulations.

So while Microsoft is behind the game at the moment, their lack of focus in an area without any longevity could be seen as a good thing.

Mobile OS' don't make sense in the long run.
The iPad has definitely shown the way of the tablet to the average consumer. This is a big step towards mainstream tablet computing. But in it's current form, these tablets are not supplementary computers, they need to be used in addition to a desktop.

I am not saying Apple doesn't realise this, I hope they do. I hope everyone does. Because otherwise tablet computing will remain niche market.]]>May 6th 2010 1:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/
Go!]]>May 5th 2010 5:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/"...which seems to be a a future replacement of Windows CE ..."]]>May 5th 2010 5:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 7:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 7:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 5:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 6:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/
...actually...no, I'm not but if I did, I would have "Binged" it as you daringly presumed hehe.]]>May 5th 2010 6:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/
Only thing, I would have expected Nokia to get this idea first. With Maemo they already have a full featured linux running on a phone. Just double the RAM to 2 GB and stick one of those new dual core 1 GHz ARM cores in there and you are set.

Think about it. Most people use their PC almost exclusively for mail, web, facebook and office. Next year phones could already be powerful enough to run those an a slim linux distribution or a netbook variant of Windows 7. ]]>May 5th 2010 6:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/
I think Nokia already got this idea. That's why they call the N900 a mobile computer and anything in the Maemo/MeeGo line will be mobile computers instead of smart phones. Add a HDMI out and USB OTG and the Maemo/MeeGo line becomes netbook replacements. Go to the office and with a simple doc you have a full desktop with keyboard and mouse.]]>May 5th 2010 9:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 7:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 7:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 7:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/Windows: Certified for Eradication]]>May 5th 2010 7:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 9:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 9:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/
You do know Windows 7 is Windows NT 6.1, right?]]>May 5th 2010 12:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/
Sad to see fools that have no understanding of OS theory and engineering making such silly comments.

NT is one of the most advanced kernel and architectures in history, and when designed, almost every element that NT was founded on were only theory, including many concepts that no other OS architecture or kernel has yet to implement. (Seriously, the NT client/server kernel model that is fully object-oriented is not something real OS engineers or theorists poke jokes at.)

Go read a book about NT before you decide you understand it well enough to make sad remarks. ]]>May 5th 2010 1:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/
Ooh, a certified computer scientist in our midst. Your vaunted "client/server kernel model" certainly has a history. A history repleat with thousands of successful exploits and attacks that would fill many, many books. How much has use of this POS kernel cost businesses and government over the past 20 years? How many grains of sand are there? - LOL]]>May 5th 2010 1:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/
I don't assume to know much about the NT kernel, but it seems to me that those problems would be linked to the OS, specifically, how Microsoft grants Admin to the first account and up until recently (with UAC) allowed the installation of components into the registry without the express permission of the user. ]]>May 5th 2010 3:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 4:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 11:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/microsofts-menlo-working-towards-a-mobile-future-without-wind/May 5th 2010 1:32PM