http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 1:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/And what happened to eighTEEN and nineTEEN!?]]>May 5th 2010 1:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/
Can we take a look at the numbers prior to the iPhone being released. I'm guessing that about 1% of teens had a phone with a data plan. Point is, certain devices are trying to carve out a market where none previously existed.

It doesn't surprise me at all that teens may not be doing Facebook on their phones today. Up until really recently there just wasn't a good platform for completing those types of tasks.

The Kin is either going to be wildly successful or a complete failure. MS has either tapped into a market that is under represented or they just made a huge mistake offering a gimped product to a customer base that doesn't care.]]>May 5th 2010 1:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/
60% of the time, it works every time.]]>May 5th 2010 2:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 2:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/
I would agree that what Microsoft is trying to do with the Kin is establish a new category of phone (like social networking phone). While most teens spend a lot of time texting, I'm sure they would love to Facebook as well. Unfortunately, the Data Plan price is going to make mass acceptance of this new category impossible. Verizon should have made either a $10 month data plan for this device, or a $20 - $25 dollar a month family data plan. $30 per device is absurd. ]]>May 5th 2010 2:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://metrics.admob.com/2010/02/january-2010-mobile-metrics-report/
(page 5 in the PDF)
What do you think?]]>May 5th 2010 2:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/
Too bad for Microsoft, they will have rely in 20 to 30 year old hipsters.]]>May 5th 2010 2:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 2:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 4:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 4:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 4:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/
And 84.2% of statistics are made up on the spot...]]>May 5th 2010 4:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 4:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 4:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/
I hope you're joking. At least, I upranked you for joking. ]]>May 5th 2010 5:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/
I only have time for page 5, I remember seeing this before and not completely agreeing with that conclusion. Here's the reason, this only gauges relative popularity and, to some extent, affordability. So, the two graphs, side by side, more show that the iTouch is relatively unpopular to the iPhone for older people, and that makes sense. My guess is that adults who bought an iTouch were either under contract, but liked the ecosystem and/or didn't want a data plan and were content with a feature phone. However, if cost/contract isn't the worry then my guess, but an adult wanted an iPhone but settle for an iTouch it might be due to AT&T. Again, this shows the popularity of the iPhone. For the iTouch, yes, it shows that it's most popular group is definitely the youth, and definitely the most probable cause is affordability relative to the iPhone. However, at the same time, this gets to my main point, it doesn't mean that the iPhone is unpopular and it doesn't mean it's unaffordable, it just means that it won't be mainstream and will be targeting a higher level of affluence than the iTouch. Seeing as how MS wants to compete there, they are doing some of the right things but also they will have to rely heavily on being and maximizing attention on what they do better. I personally think it wont sell half of what the iPhone does within the teen demographics.

Again, as one of my previous two comments here says, I don't think 30 data plan is straight out of the gate too expensive, though it will require an extra sacrfice from either the parents or the children, but I think this is fairly common across industries from this market segment. When I was a kid, Nintendos were popular, but they aren't nearly as widespread as this current generation of consoles, part of that is the American families can afford more and, IMHO, part of that is also the fact that it's just more assumed that a parent is to buy a system to entertain their kids with (especially if the parent happened to grow up with something similar) if they don't have some sort of moral or scholastic aversion. Many parents are also slow to adopt new technologies until their neighbor, friends, family and/or colleagues have, one conclusion I can easily draw without having to put much weight to is that the iPhone might just start to hit the critical mass (much like game consoles or the CPU - strictly for entertainment purposes to have a good analogy - before they got into such a high percentage of households) before we can see the 24 and younger demographics take off.

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I do however have no problem with the contention that perhaps they are so popular that they are also unpopular - a going against the grain mentality of the youth, once too many people have something it's less fashionable to follow, though still quite common. This is impossible to tell without a time/trend analysis, though I do presume most of the growth in the US from the past 6 months has been with older people that weren't as aware that the device could be useful to them for the first 2 years it was out, but that's just conjecture. Either way, it's one of those problems that are good to have from a business standpoint. ]]>May 5th 2010 10:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 1:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/
Or:
- Use the phone GPS (the maps are not pre-loaded but streamed)
- Ditto Google Maps
- Check up on eBay auctions on the go.
- Check email on the go.
- Listen to net radio on the go
- READ ENGADGET on the go :D

So many more uses than facebooking.

]]>May 5th 2010 3:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/The reason for this is, that 65% of all the kids have an ipod touch, and everyone knows the school wifi password... why would they want to pay 30 $ a month?]]>May 5th 2010 5:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 5:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 1:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 1:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 1:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 2:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/
I don't really see the need for a data plan, i mean, unless you job depends on sending out powerpoints and spreadsheets every waking minute of the day.

Most people who do have data plans, just use it for crap (subjective i know) like twitter and facebook updates.

sorry, but i just don't see the value in spending all that money to tell someone you are at the shop, or at your cousins sisters ballerina.

it has it uses, but there are definitely more people with data plans that don't need them, than there are people with data plans that actually need them.

me, ill just stick with my 20 dollars a month for my thousand minutes, unlimited text and free calling after 6, than with 60 dollars to have facebook on the go.]]>May 5th 2010 2:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/
You don't have to be an uber-geek to make use of a data plan. While a lot of people use said data for Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube videos, it is the application market (AppStore, Android Market, etc) that is really driving these data plans.

Also keep in mind as phones become more feature packed, this will increase the need for data. I use the Incredible for navigation tasks, that require the data package. The same can be said for e-mail, instant messenger, and the occasional document editing. ]]>May 5th 2010 2:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/
I am not saying that a 12-year-old needs/ is going to use a data plan, though I think by the time you turn about 16-17 and you start driving there is a lot more use for a data plan with the advent of Google Maps. Of course I had, albeit small, data plan when I was only in high school. It was useful to check baseball scores and other small similar searches. ]]>May 5th 2010 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/1. If I have access to no computer. Even then, I could probably pull the info via text or picture message(which requires no data plan).
2. If I had a smartphone
3. If I held a job which required it.]]>May 5th 2010 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/I'm 14, I use my (unlimited) data plan to:
Check my email.
Read Engadget.
Read Gizmodo (yeah, yeah, boooo)
Tether (Shhhhhh :P)
Type this comment.
Go on alldroid.
Visit droidforums.
Download the latest hacks and roms for my Motorola Droid.
Get updates for my Droid.
Send email.
MyspaceIM.
I hate Facebook. :p
I DESPISE Twitter.
Go on the Market for apps.
Go on the XDA Developers website.
So, tell me again, basically, what you're saying is data plans are only for those who are boring businessmen.
It is also for those too cheap to pay $500+ for a phone. (on the spot) Yet pay $1200 a year.]]>May 5th 2010 5:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 6:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 1:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 1:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/44% of the kids send more than 100 texts a day?????? WTF?!?!
My hands would fall off.]]>May 5th 2010 2:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/
1 letter can make allot more sense ;)]]>May 5th 2010 2:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/lol... TRUE. ]]>May 5th 2010 2:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/
second: I know lots of teens with data plans. Myself included.]]>May 5th 2010 1:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 1:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/And Microsoft couldn't find out these statistics before coming out with the phone? It's hard to see a company miss-step like this. The kin audience is dumb, rich, socializing 17 and 18 year olds that have never heard of an iPhone or Android. ]]>May 5th 2010 5:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 1:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 2:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/
I am not on facebook though, so I guess I use data a lot less.]]>May 5th 2010 2:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/May 5th 2010 2:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/This is called lying with statistics. Did this survey count teens living in the Appalachians or did it just look to the center of LA? Surveys love to say things like "of all teens" without qualifying "where". Luckily they aren't trying to sell you anything (at least I dont think) or the numbers would be much worse. Take for example "75% of all teens have cell phones". Then they state 72% of all teens text. Okay, so do the math and that comes out to 96% of teens WITH phones text. On their site however they state 88%, not 96... who knows where the hell they came up with their numbers. My guess? I think you already know.]]>May 5th 2010 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/
Maybe 25% of teens have dropped them into toilet/lost them?]]>May 5th 2010 3:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/Well in LA I would guess 24.9 %
:)]]>May 5th 2010 9:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/05/survey-says-most-teens-dont-have-a-data-plan-almost-all-send/

The Kins might suck, but all this shows is that Microsoft was right about what market to go after. Why would you want to build a cell phone only for demographics/uses that are already popular? Most teens text message...ok, hence the Kins...

The biggest competition is still the iPhone. I've seen a gazillion Pre-pubescent kids on iPhones that also have a $30/mo data rate but only cost 99...and do a heck of a lot more...on a better UI...


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