http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 12:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 12:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/Which I hate both of so that's a plus for HTML5 in my book!]]>May 6th 2010 1:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/The HTML5 beta of youtube sucks.
There's no captions or any of the other action script based content within videos, and a lot of content simply isn't available on mobile devices.]]>May 6th 2010 1:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 1:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/
If anything what we're doing is getting rid of the ability to block them. ]]>May 6th 2010 1:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/I doubt you've used youtube's HTML 5 beta if you say it runs well.]]>May 6th 2010 1:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/
Opera is returning favor to Apple!]]>May 6th 2010 1:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/
Exactly why I'm wary of HTML5, at least with flash you can block intrusive ads etc. With HTML5 I've heard they will be sort of 'baked-in' to the video or website, so you can't hide or avoid it :(]]>May 6th 2010 1:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/
And in all in sounds like a perfect idea to ditch Flash RIGHT NOW as people suggest.]]>May 6th 2010 1:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 1:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 2:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 2:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/I think it is interesting the opinion of the free Software Foundation about this:
FSF responds to Jobs's "Thoughts on Flash"
"Watching two proprietary software companies deeply opposed to computer user freedom lob accusations back and forth about who is more opposed to freedom has been surreal, to say the least..."
http://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-responds-to-jobss-thoughts-on-flash
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/04/pot-meet-kettle-a-response-to-steve-jobs-letter-on-flash.ars]]>May 6th 2010 2:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 2:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/
Finally someone who had a clue.

If you ever hear a person say they hate Flash because they hate ads then you know you're listening to a person who might not understand what planet they live on.

Fact: Ads are ads. Not Flash. It's actually flattering to Flash that Ads choose them sometimes in their missions. You see, Ads are like bugs. They're always going to be around. They're necessary. If you understand that money drives a lot of societies(pretty much all) then you'll understand the need for "Ads". Ads pay bills. Ads give jobs. Ads are the starter logs of a bonfire. Literally and figuratively. So even without "Flash" Ads will use the program that will allow them to get in your face and annoy you the most. Objective-C? OMG?!!!

Hey I'm all for a different codec or plugin for video. I think video could be run more efficiently. But seriously what the hell do I know about video codec proc usage.. Adobe needs to retweak the flash video "solution" to something the critics and everyone else wants. Will Steve still have a problem then?

But as far as interactive vector animation goes nobody can hold a candle the the Flash development environment and community. Flash devs love using Flash. And the products on the web are proof. Lets just retweak the plugin to not heat up pc's so much and we call be happy campers. No?
]]>May 6th 2010 2:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 2:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 2:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/"All that's missing from the latter (last I checked) are ads and other overlays."

If only that were true... ]]>May 6th 2010 4:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/Phonecooker™
"Cook a steak on your phone, there's an app for that!"
Note: Will subject your CPU to an unsolvable algorithm, thus overheating it to needed temperature. Warning: Phone may explode.

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Well, I think they just don't want to spend time and money to implement that. So, they need to came up with an excuse. ]]>May 6th 2010 6:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 6:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://j.mp/opera-desktops-fastest-browser]]>May 6th 2010 11:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 7th 2010 3:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/
silverlight?]]>May 7th 2010 4:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/
This is one of the best comments I've ever seen on Engadget. Cheers.]]>May 7th 2010 6:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/
Screw BOTH of them. DIVX is superior in every way for video! High quality, low cpu usage.]]>May 7th 2010 7:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 12:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/
...i hope adobe didnt think blowing would actually solve all the cpu heat issues]]>May 6th 2010 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/
I applaud you, quite the clever remark]]>May 6th 2010 1:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 1:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 2:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/If you see these 2 videos, I think it is interesting that the HANDS of the man holding the Nexus One ARENT BURNING IN FLAMES.
Maybe I am Blind?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaHnzx9jaiY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEgBV2QB4Q0]]>May 6th 2010 2:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/
I can't believe people are using those videos to justify why Flash should be supported on mobiles. I'm using the same videos to justify why it shouldn't.

That is a horrible experience for media playback. Dropped frames, hang-ups, stuttering graphics and even crashes if you check the tablet videos. I don't want that experience on my phone.

It's not as simple as asking to have the option to use it. If the option is there for users to consume the content, it creates an audience for publishers. This means people continue using Flash and everybody gets a bad experience.

Flash is dead. Long live HTML 5 and Adobe's HTML 5 content creation apps. Nobody is hating on Adobe, they have filled a gap for such a long time and they have defined the way internet content is delivered with excellent creative software. They just need to fully support a standard that gives the device manufacturers control over how well published content is decoded and push Flash into the archives.]]>May 6th 2010 3:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/"I can't believe people are using those videos to justify why Flash should be supported on mobiles. I'm using the same videos to justify why it shouldn't."

So true. I've watched both videos and I know I would probably ditch my phone if my web browsing experience was like this. The choppyness of the scrolling and resizing the Flash area is nuts and the full-screen video playback isn't even at full framerate. And this is on about the highest-end phone hardware money can buy :-S. And the stupidest part of it all is that people will blame the phone for it, while it's purely the software that runs like shit, it's not like the N1 can't play smooth full-screen video or anything.]]>May 6th 2010 4:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/+10,000

(Well, people ARE bashing Adobe right now, but only for being dumbasses about Flash and refusing to do what they do best.)]]>May 6th 2010 7:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 7th 2010 12:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfmbZkqORX4]]>May 7th 2010 3:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 12:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 12:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/
The Opera people and I are in sync on this issue. This is how I've felt all along. It's not that us Flash Haters think Flash is completely useless in all iterations, it just sucks to use it for something as vital as video on the web.

I've always thought that even when Flash dies, and it will, there will always be a few pockets of the internet that use it for stuff like games. I'm completely okay with that. Just keep it away from my video.

]]>May 6th 2010 1:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 1:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/Doesn't need special CODECS? WTF do you think flash is? ]]>May 6th 2010 1:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/Yes, let's keep Flash around for video because it brought us video on the web, great idea. I think we should re-surrect Netscape Navigator 1.0 too and all put marquee tags and 'under construction' images on our sites too.]]>May 6th 2010 1:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 2:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/
Yup. Something will replace the current version of Flash - and this may actually be a better version of Flash - but it's what the web uses just now.]]>May 6th 2010 3:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/May 6th 2010 11:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/That's true and it's tough. The only way is a blend between HTML and embedded video, which is more complexity than it's worth. But if we don't walk down this road now, better solutions may not be discovered, and we'll be stuck with this proprietary flapjack for the next decade or two. The biggest hurdle isn't technology, it's web authoring tools.]]>May 7th 2010 7:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/opera-wades-into-flash-debate-says-it-makes-very-little-sense/I think the lousy CPUs are the problem...
]]>May 6th 2010 12:57PM