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The chat is one of the best parts of the live podcasts! ]]>May 7th 2010 3:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/They didn't stream it live this time.]]>May 7th 2010 4:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/It wasn't live.

http://twitter.com/reckless/status/13508336543

Also this phone sucks, I might not be the average 17 year old but I rather stick with my iPhone and Nexus One than get a Kin.]]>May 7th 2010 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 7th 2010 4:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/
Devices like the kin have a chance precisely because people DON'T know there are better options for the same money. And that is especially true for the interface. Many kids come from basic phones, their comparison is not the building sized sampling of scores upon scores of different handsets and interfaces.

It does not have to be best in class, it simply needs to be better than something they had before, or, better than nothing (which all people start from at some early point).

This perspective is lost on Josh, he is too jaded to see this clearly. Now if the kin really is that terrible to use it may fall under the bus, but lets not mistake the bar of failure of one Taskmaster Topolsky for the typical kid who never had a phone before to begin with.]]>May 8th 2010 12:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 7th 2010 4:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 8th 2010 4:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/
Keep it up guys, I love these podcasts. ]]>May 7th 2010 4:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/I have been with my graduating class for the last 4 years, and they are dumb as Michael thinks.]]>May 7th 2010 4:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/
Now I do understand phones and I do want the higher end smartphones but it is a terrible assumption to make that everyone else knows what features are available on EVERY phone and actually care about and want all of these features.]]>May 7th 2010 6:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/ ]]>May 7th 2010 6:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 7th 2010 4:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 7th 2010 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/
The Kin, as a phone, may serve as the bridge for feature phone users into Windows Phone 7. It surely lies somewhere between feature phones and smart phones]]>May 7th 2010 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/
Paul: Learn to buy things from the internet. You work for a. *Gadget. Website.* Come on man!

No offense, I found that to be a little ridiculous and feel it should be addressed. Josh, make him buy something online for god's sake.]]>May 7th 2010 5:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 7th 2010 5:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 7th 2010 5:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 7th 2010 6:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/
If you think about it, Josh/Nilay/Paul all (from the pictures i've seen here) use MacBooks, and while I've never encountered Flash on a MacBook (i've got a ThinkPad), apparently they all have encountered Flash problems on OS X. While it may be true that Flash is buggy on OS X, it's still just one side of the argument.. i've never had any (ANY) problems with Flash running on Vista and 7.

What I wanted to say with this is just that it's good to hear more opinions! Great podcast!!]]>May 7th 2010 6:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/
I feel the need to echo that I don't have problems running flash on Windows.]]>May 7th 2010 6:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/
I run flash on windows and I too have NO problems with it at all. But I was not really commenting on flash, just the Kin conversation. ]]>May 7th 2010 9:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 7th 2010 6:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 7th 2010 6:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 7th 2010 6:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 7th 2010 8:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 7th 2010 6:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/Now, would those parents (including yours) be willing to pay $30 extra on top of $20 for text and $40 for voice for a Kin?]]>May 7th 2010 6:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 7th 2010 6:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/Yeah, they actually would. But thinking about it now, the school I go to is in a unique position, gadget wise, being a private school that caters to upper class in L.A. A couple of the kids have parents who are in charge of product placement in T.V, so they know tech things because of their parents. And being in the class, most parents (mine included) would not mind paying the extra money for data plans. And almost every kid in my school has a smart phone. ]]>May 7th 2010 7:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/That makes more sense, most parents wouldn't pay for it. I live in New York and almost everyone in my school has a BlackBerry or iPhone (with data)

I say this phone will not tend to to other regular teens across the country. (With this economy that is)]]>May 7th 2010 11:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/I also am a willing Zune owner (Zune 80, thinking of moving to the HD). I understand that I'm a minority, but I'd appreciate some recognition as a person, Gartenberg.]]>May 9th 2010 12:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/]]>May 7th 2010 7:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 7th 2010 8:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 7th 2010 9:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/
I think michael is still on the Microsoft payroll...

From wikipedia
Gartenberg was hired by Microsoft from February to March 2007 with the job title "Enthusiast Evangelist" to publicize Windows Vista [4][5][6]. Gartenberg stated:
Why Microsoft? There’s a revolution going on. A battle for the hearts and minds of consumers in terms of their digital lives. I firmly believe that Microsoft is the only company that will enable the seamless transition for users to move in and out of the different aspects of their lives. In short, no one else comes close to presenting a complete, unified and integrated view of the digital home of the 21st century.[4]
More recently, in Oct 2007, regarding a potential Microsoft Windows competitor, Linux, he wrote:
Linux Still Doesn't Make it On Desktop. ... For now and the foreseeable future, it's going to remain a Microsoft world. Linux still isn't the answer.[7]
Gartenberg repeated the claim in an opinion piece published in March 2010[8], wherein he denied that use of a free operating system significantly reduces cost of computer ownership. In July 2009, Google announced the development of an operating system for netbooks, Chrome OS, due for release in late 2010. Gartenberg opined:
Chrome OS is not a threat to Windows ... By creating of lot of Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt this morning... they hope to take the attention and luster off of [Microsoft] Windows 7[9] ... history doesn't run in favour of Chrome OS's principles[10] ]]>May 7th 2010 10:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 7th 2010 11:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 7th 2010 9:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 7th 2010 11:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/
Did he just say that the initial 2007 iPhone experience wasn't compelling because he couldn't use Exchange?? 10-to-1 that the phone he has ringing in the back is a POTS line. Out. of. touch.]]>May 7th 2010 11:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 8th 2010 12:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/
My prediction is they won't ever get to this number, and any Kin functionality worth keeping (such as studio) will be rolled into WP7 within 18 months.
]]>May 8th 2010 2:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 8th 2010 4:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 17th 2010 4:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 8th 2010 7:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/
The iPad can go with me anywhere!]]>May 8th 2010 11:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/
Apps can manipulate these features but they must do it by first requesting security tokens and cookies using WWW protocols, and RIM probably does that on the back end of their servers.

Palm Pre's lost Google Voice Apps once those security tokens were enabled in GV. Pre apps, which run in webkit actually can't store data like Web Tokens and Cookies!! Probably similar with the Iphone and the APIs available. ]]>May 8th 2010 1:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 8th 2010 1:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 8th 2010 3:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/May 9th 2010 1:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/engadget-podcast-195-05-07-2010/
Michael and his kids get it ... everything Josh is complaining shows he is totally out of touch with people under 20.]]>May 9th 2010 4:34PM