http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 9:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 9:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 9:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
BIG Bada BOOM!]]>May 7th 2010 9:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/But geography aside I was about "modern OS world" which Symbian regardless the numbers you may throw in you know doesn't seem to be a part of.]]>May 7th 2010 9:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/Lelu Dallas Multipass.]]>May 7th 2010 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 10:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 12:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
dumbphones don't count. obviously. the article refers to a smartphone OS.

*facepalm

We all know very well that Nokia has a 93% marketshare in Botswana.
]]>May 7th 2010 12:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 1:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
a Badadea]]>May 7th 2010 3:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 5:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/And how thoughtful to create another C++ based OS as if it will revolutionize things.

Programming for Symbian and Brew was often regarded as difficult and cumbersome, companies tried to move away from that by using Qt or Java and then now Bada comes along to the roots? I am sorry, I dont see anyone going to program for that unless some level of abstraction.

What is samsung selling that Android+Qt+Objective-C are not?]]>May 7th 2010 5:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/Basically, should be a new smartphone OS some day but currently there are 0 phones on sale with it so its hard to tell.]]>May 7th 2010 7:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
WTF IS BADA!?




i dunno...


.]]>May 7th 2010 9:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
Prior to the iPhone OS SDK being announced, I'm assuming it was general knowledge to everyone?]]>May 7th 2010 9:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
Whatever it is, it's Badassss...

High five, anyone? Anyone?]]>May 7th 2010 9:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
Wait, you guys know what a Zune is but you don't know Bada?

Pfft.]]>May 7th 2010 12:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 7:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 9:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 5:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 9:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
It would be nice if they offered C# though nowadays.]]>May 7th 2010 9:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 9:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
Erm, I know, I am, a c# developer. Which is why I think it would be nice if more of these sdks offered c# support.]]>May 7th 2010 10:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 10:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
Indeed.

It would just be nice if more vendors offered a c# option as it is a lovely language.]]>May 7th 2010 10:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
I think it has been historically proven that actual hardware doesn't get utilized fully (meaning fatter and slower), and heavily dependent on the robustness, portability, and featureset of the VM. Doesn't it sounds like Java MIDL and why it only held back the mobile platform instead of advancing it like iPhone has with native development.

IMO, C/C++ is the true-cross platform language (just count how how many platforms and history it has built), and it just requires cross-platforms APIs which we usually get in OpenGL ES, and a OS framework. Too bad open APIs is anathema to Microsoft.

At least Qt is available that attempts to unify all the platforms and still stay Native.]]>May 7th 2010 12:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 2:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
You're right, in the hands of an expert programmer native code will always top out with higher performance than managed code because of the runtime overhead.

However, you're completely ignoring the massive benefits afforded by writing managed code, which equate to significantly faster development times and the possibility for less experienced coders (not necessarily 'bad' or 'lazy' coders, just those who haven't gotten years of industry experience yet) to create applications of significantly higher quality because you don't have to spend half your time cleaning up memory yourself, which means more time to dedicate towards bug testing and UI design.

For the majority of things you would want in a phone application, the speed difference between managed and native code is going to be negligible. The only time that I can think of where you'd really want that extra speed you can squeeze out with carefully crafted native code would be for something extremely math-heavy, like a physics engine for a 3D game. Beyond that, I'd much rather have managed code for its ease of development, especially since a significant portion of phone developers are one-man operations.]]>May 7th 2010 6:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/I actually agree. So this is why Android which hasn't really spread its wings is becoming the platform to move unto.
I mean those KIRF's and cheaper Chinese products are slowly ditching WinCE (finally) and adopting Android which is current-gen.

But here's the problem, when you want more from your phone.
Slowly Smartphone's will displace car-GPS, digital cameras, PMP, MID (obviously) and then your games console.

The reason for iPhone's success is actually games. It entered the portable console run (iPod Touch 3rd gen) without even knowing it.

So for the smartphone to become the Omnia ("does all") it needs to look also at higher performance.

For this section we'll have Dual-2GHz-core A9 Cortex CPU's and SGX 543MP8 Graphics... will we need more power?
Yes, we're human!
Some dev will get an intensive console (ie Dreamcast) emulated properly and only possible with native language.

Engadget will feature it, then everyone will want it too.
So MeeGo with Qt brings high hopes.
But it seems like its a little late (if released 14months ago) and will compete with Android for dominance in the future, at least in the Chinese market.]]>May 7th 2010 10:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
Much as I deride Motorola and HTC (to a lesser extent) for whoring itself out to android that is the prudent course for the most part.

I just don't see how this will work.]]>May 7th 2010 9:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
"Much as I deride Motorola and HTC (to a lesser extent) for whoring itself out to android"

You really hate Google?!?!?!?!?

What has Google done to you personally for you to hate them that much?

You're an Apple supporter but damn, you talk about competitors like they shouldnt exist. If it was your choice we would be living in a world of Apple. Get a grip, Apple/Jobs isnt giving you free products for bantering the way you do (or is he? Cause i want in).

Lighten up. That goes for all fanboys.]]>May 7th 2010 9:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/I really don't see a point to them releasing BADA outside of Korea.]]>May 7th 2010 9:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
Lmao I like MS as well. I own a Windows 7 laptop and sexbox 360....

I don't hate google. I have GMail and google is my default search engine both on my laptop and iPhone.

I just think android is an overrated, overhyped, piece of crap OS. ]]>May 7th 2010 9:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
It's nice to have a platform you solely control and if it scales from low end to high end than that's a great feather in Samsungs cap and will help them compete with Nokia in all markets.
]]>May 7th 2010 10:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
I don't hate Google, in fact I love a few of their offerings, it's the morons on the This Week in Google who spout lies like Jeff Jarvis, and Gina Tripani, the ultimate fangi---

Oh snap... I just uttered a Anti-Apple talking point...!!!

*identity crisis]]>May 7th 2010 12:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 1:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 9:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 9:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
I see what you did there...]]>May 7th 2010 9:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 9:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 2:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
Samsung is a korean company, so they used that word

as he said bada means ocean]]>May 7th 2010 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 10:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
Samsung does not provide firmware updates?]]>May 7th 2010 10:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/That would be a no. They had to basically be brow-beaten by the media until they released, count it, ONE, update to the Omnia HD a couple months ago. And it really didn't fix much.

The only reason I've hung on to the phone is due to the custom ROM community, like the firmware from HyperX, make the device work in a way that Samsung couldn't or didn't care to.

Smartphones require more hand holding than dumbphones. They're advertised as personal mini-computers, but like computers, they need patches, fixes and updates to keep it in working order. Since Samsung has shown over and over again that they don't care about post sales support, then I refuse to buy another Samsung phone.

Now don't get me wrong: Samsung makes great TVs and refrigerators, but I'm staying away from their phones.]]>May 7th 2010 11:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/May 7th 2010 12:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/
I was surprised since it is a Symbian phone you have, and Nokia does send regular updates for that platform. I am amazed the number 2 phone co in the world does not. Saves a few pennies though :)]]>May 7th 2010 2:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/samsung-releases-bada-sdk-for-developers-who-want-to-ride-the-wa/I recently bought a Samsung HDD and was surprised to read this in the installation guide: "We don't release any firmwares. Because the product has been already optimized with its own configurations."

Other manufacturers generally realize that no software is perfect and release updates from time to time.]]>May 7th 2010 4:37PM