http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 16th 2010 11:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/Well HP is gonna do it right so you dont have to squint]]>May 16th 2010 11:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/I wouldn't be surprised if HP cut off the keyboard and released exactly this.. Ha. ]]>May 16th 2010 11:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 16th 2010 11:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/im just amazed at how much linux has contributed to the computing world.]]>May 17th 2010 4:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/
I was expecting it on an iPad so we could see what HP would come up with in a few months. Plus you'd get to use touch for input.]]>May 17th 2010 10:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 16th 2010 11:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/
Don't know if I agree with Snapdragon CPU on a tablet...there are far better options, such as Tegra 2, or Intel Atom Z6XX series (ie. Moorestown)...

But, WebOS on ANY tablet would be amazing...hopefully...]]>May 16th 2010 11:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 16th 2010 11:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 16th 2010 11:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 16th 2010 11:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 16th 2010 11:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/why on earth would you put webOS on an x86 CPU and I haven't seen any conclusive evidence that the Tegra 2 is faster than a SnapDragon + PowerVR SGX combo but considering palm's ties to ti, the most likely candidate for their next CPU is actually the OMAP3600s or maybe even OMAP4s depending on when the product comes out]]>May 16th 2010 11:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/
LOL~! Because WebOS CAN ACTUALLY run on x86 platforms...as demonstrated in this article...Why wouldn't you? Moorestown is quite a bit ahead it terms of performance, and if Intel's claims is to be trusted (and I don't see a reason why they would jeopardize their reputation), then the battery life is on par with the likes of Snapdragon or A4...and given the huge amount of content developed over the years for x86, I would say many FUNCTIONAL and USEFUL application can be more efficiently developed for Moorestown than an ARM-based platform. Still up for debate though...

And regarding Tegra 2...it's Nvidia, they know their graphics...and it comes standard with 1GB of ram, as well as smaller fabrication, something like 40nm...so better battery life as well...and it runs Cortex A9...two of them...so MUCH better performance compared to Snapdragon...even the A8 based Apple A4 beats snapdragon, but only marginally...]]>May 17th 2010 12:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/
Tegra2 is way beyond faster than a Snapdragon. Snapdragon isn't even in the same league. They already showed that Apple's A4 processor (ARM A8) is more powerful than the Snapdragon, and Tegra2 is an ARM A9 cpu with Nvidia graphics.

And your right about the Atom. It would be stupid to put a x86 cpu on a slate with a mobile OS, but I don't doubt HP probably would do it just to be lazy.]]>May 17th 2010 12:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/
Uhh excuse me. If you read around you'd see that the Moorestown isn't anywhere near as great as Intel is trying to make it seem. The performance is the slightest bump over the old Z series and the battery life still sucks. The only reason anyone should use Moorestown on a slate device is if its running Windows 7 or another x86 OS.]]>May 17th 2010 12:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/
Actually, that slight bump is still YEARS ahead of its ARM counterparts...and due to the lack of PCI, it can't run Windows...]]>May 17th 2010 12:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/
Oh...and thanks for reinstating what I said about Tegra 2...]]>May 17th 2010 12:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/the Moorestown platform still isn't up to par with ARM for mobile devices, even intel knows that and they've said they're trying to target a market for the UMPC or rebranded SlatePC with full OSes which isn't everyone's cup of tea for mobile devices. By the way are far as their reputation goes, you do realize they recently handed over $1B to AMD for antitrust issues

as far as Tegra 2, I wasn't aware they were using Cortex A9, still like I said a more likely candidate is the OMAP4 which has gotten a lot less marketing but will be similarly powerful with a Cortex A9 core(s). I'm pretty sure nVIDIA marketing Tegra 2 towards potential Windows 7 Phones anyway considering its success on the ZuneHD, their graphics core might be optimized for Direct X mobile]]>May 17th 2010 12:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/
ARM isn't meant to run Windows, Windows shouldn't even be on a Slate. Performance wise, ARM and a mobile OS is way better than Moorestown with Windows 7. ]]>May 17th 2010 12:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/
You are right, OMAP4 is a likely candidate for any future Palm/HP ventures...Still, I would prefer Tegra 2, as I have spent quite a bit of time with the developers' SoC...

@CJisohsocool

Again, Moorestown CANNOT run Windows 7...at least not in its current state...Only Android optimized internally by Intel for x86, as well as MeeGo/Moblin are meant to be available, as of now, for Moorestown...WebOS could also be a possibility, given its nature...
]]>May 17th 2010 1:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/so your statement is...
1) Moorestown runs years ahead of ARMs in PURE COMPUTATIONAL PERFORMANCE.
2) ARM runs years ahead of Moorestown in PERFORMANCE PER COST.
pretty simple.]]>May 17th 2010 2:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/
Where was the cost ever discussed?

Also, any ARM system with comparable performance to an Atom system would cost quite a bit more...]]>May 17th 2010 2:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/Sorry, you didn't mention to cost(of any kind). that was my incorrect assumption.]]>May 17th 2010 5:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/
Not a huge leap there.

Just for those wiseguys who can't stand to wait 3-4 seconds for Winxp to come out of standby....]]>May 17th 2010 7:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/
Snapdragon is a Cortex A8 variant with a longer pipeline this allows it to run at higher frequencies albeit it will be doing less per clock cycle. Thus, an unaltered 1GHz Cortex A8 will actually be faster than snap dragon at 1GHz. Snapdragon's design allows it to be scaled to 1.5+ GHz but clock per clock it is slower than any Cortex A8 device.
Apple A4 and Ti 3640 will both be faster than Snapdragon at 1 GHz. PRE has already shown that it will run very fast at 800 MHz (overclocked Ti 3440). A 1 GHz Cortex A8 (Ti3640) would indeed make time to market for a webOS pad much smaller as it is the same chip as the older 3440 just running at a faster speed.

I am realy looking forward to OMPA4 which uses a cortex A9 process (clock per clock faster than A8 by about 20%) and able to achieve higher clock rates than 1GHz at a smaller power requirement.

An OMAP 4 device will be faster and more energy efficient than Cortex A8 designs e.g. Apple A4 (which by all signs is just a clock speed bump on Samsungs A8 based design (with some manufacturing tweaks to make it run at 1GHZ at a lower power draw)). Those manufacturing tweaks should be applicable to any A9 based design as well. ]]>May 17th 2010 12:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 16th 2010 11:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/
Hilarious is what it is.]]>May 16th 2010 11:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/CAN IT MULTITASK?!?

oh wait...]]>May 16th 2010 11:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 16th 2010 11:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 16th 2010 11:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/From the first sentence of the summary: “It's always been possible to run webOS on a PC using the emulator built into Palm's SDK …”

The “emulator” is a virtual machine that runs through VirtualBox on Linux, Windows and MacOS.]]>May 16th 2010 11:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/
Either way, the hard part of getting these mobile operating systems to work on tablets is rewriting every single app to work on the much larger screen. Slapping a bigger screen onto the same architecture is trivial.]]>May 16th 2010 11:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/it doesn't come with an emulator, they give an OS image and you can run it on a virtual machine like VirtualBox. And it's not simulating, simulating is like the Flash demos you see online where you can kind of do stuff to get the feel of it, but this is the real deal and it's considered emulation because it isn't running directly on the actual hardware it's made for but an emulation of that hardware on more powerful hardware

on a side note it's kind of weird how it's centered, you'd think it would be on the top left, it's as if they were preparing it for larger resolutions]]>May 17th 2010 12:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 17th 2010 12:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 17th 2010 5:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/
Granted, they would probably want to do something _more_ with all the screen space on a tablet.

It seems that the fixed size UI thing is just Apple's problem. I can't imagine what they were thinking.
Microsoft seems to be avoiding this with Windows 7 Phone, and Android has as well. (Meanwhile, Maemo / Meego use the GTK and Qt frameworks, which both don't suck and have been built properly for a very long time).]]>May 18th 2010 12:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 16th 2010 11:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 16th 2010 11:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/
Unless its a tech demo, which is cool but I don't think main stream it will play out.

Wonder if the Android store would accept a boot loader app. Obviously the AppStore wouldn't]]>May 16th 2010 11:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/even If the market TOS doesn't allow it, the G1/N1/Hero/Eris/Droid all can both be rooted and EVERY Android device can "sideload" apps. Although this would have to be added into the rom's functionality, not JUST by some .apk... its always been possible, and i've always hoped someone would make WebOS run on my G1...]]>May 17th 2010 12:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/
To your other point, yes, it is extremely important to have the ability to install multiple operating systems on different phones. The Original commenter mentioned the N1 and that is a great example. It will give the N1 users something else to look forward to, and experience. Having the ability to install another operating system on a phone gives the user the ability to choose what they want to use. Just like you have the ability to install different operating systems on your desktop.

(Plus, it is just generally awesome to be able to install different OS on a whim, but I'm somewhat geeky so my opinion is bias.)]]>May 17th 2010 12:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 17th 2010 1:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 16th 2010 11:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 16th 2010 11:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 17th 2010 2:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/palm-pre-plus-launched-on-atandt/

Second reply to the first comment.]]>May 16th 2010 11:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 16th 2010 11:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 16th 2010 11:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/16/webos-booted-up-on-a-pc-just-for-kicks/May 16th 2010 11:40PM