http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/May 18th 2010 3:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/Wohoo! Heck yeah. Now I'm proud as hell to have jumped on the Android bandwagon (even though I can already use flash in WM6.5 but w/e XD).]]>May 18th 2010 3:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
It's a hollow victory. Google's been against Flash since forever (maybe because they didn't have a platform to worry about). They've always been big supporters of open standards and free software.

Working with Adobe is purely a response to Apple's moves against Adobe. It gives them an exclusive feature, even if its a feature that goes against their principles and is ultimately bad for the web.

I'm going to enjoy this on my Android phone (well, actually I won't because the HTC Tattoo will never get a update), but I can't help thinking of this as a wasted opportunity for a coordinated effort to get rid of flash.]]>May 18th 2010 3:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
Bring on the Froyo, this will probably be the biggest update for Android yet.]]>May 18th 2010 3:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
Wish I could get it.. However... since i'm on a european HTC hero, it probably won't be until 2012 till that comes.. or worse still never]]>May 18th 2010 4:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/Performance? Not an issue.
Misuse? Hello javascript -- all media platforms can be abused...
Full 10.1 wouldn't work well on mobile platform? Have you tried it..
Not open? As much as it can be.
Not widely used? Yes it is.
HTML-5? Ready in 2012, not supported properly by 99% of browsers.
Doesn't behave the same across computers? Hello Opera, Firefox, Safari, IE, meet my non-flash web application, it behaves the same across all of you!-not.
Crashes on Mac? Where's Apple's crash reports..]]>May 18th 2010 4:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/May 18th 2010 4:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
I never said we needed a dictatorship - what I would have preferred was a bipartisan agreement on ending flash, if you want.

Apple, Microsoft and Opera have vocally opposed flash in the last month (together, their browsers surely account for at least 80% of web users). Google never liked Flash until Apple issued a fatwa against it.

How can you just say performance is "not an issue"? Flash is only ever shown running well on souped-up phones on Ghz processors. HTML5 doesn't need anything like that. Not to mention how slow Adobe is at porting flash to new devices and OSes (just look how long it took them to support x64!), and the very real observation that flash does crash all the freaking time.

I have a feeling you'll be regretting your words when/if you actually use mobile flash. You won't be impressed.]]>May 18th 2010 4:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/May 18th 2010 4:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2010/05/10/top-flash-misperceptions-flash-is-a-cpu-hog/) and I'd say it would be you eating your words. And no, flash doesn't crash 'all the freaking time' poor development does. I'd like you to reference where google says they 'don't like flash' also. Also, provide reference to microsoft also, it would be ironic with them trying to plug Silverlight...]]>May 18th 2010 4:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
Just trying to be honest, for the UK the hero is still on 1.6, and 2.1 isn't coming until June some point. Seeing as HTC doesn't provide rom upgrades for every model I wouldn't be surprised if they stopped for the UK hero after 2.1, after all they are coming out with so many great phones in my opinion.]]>May 18th 2010 4:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
Microsoft: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/04/29/html5-video.aspx

Google used to be (maybe 5 years ago) really quite opposed to flash. It's not hard to see why: it goes against their free and open policies. Gmail is one of the best examples of why you don't need flash (IIRC the only thing flash is used for is file uploading). All the rest of the interface is standards based.

And no, Flash is NOT open. The comments on Adobe's blog have some great examples (http://blogs.adobe.com/open/2010/02/following_the_open_trail.html), and make the important point that nobody other than Adobe can influence the spec.

So yeah, you can call me 'uneducated' all you like. I have facts (and experiences, like the crashing) that shape my views. All flash has going for it is that it's widely used. Oh, and the irony of Linux turning out to be Adobe's only hope in the mobile market is not to be missed (after how Adobe's treated the linux platform!)]]>May 18th 2010 5:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
FYI Google's never been against Flash and will never be. They use flash extensively in their google analytics and the whole of their advert business aside adsense runs on flash generated banner animations. What are you saying? They support open standards doesn't mean they don't support good proprietary platforms as well.]]>May 18th 2010 5:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
I like how you skimmed my very important note about HTML-5 which was your initial presumption in the discussion-- humorous..

I did not say flash was completely open, I said it was as open as it can be, from Adobe's viewpoint, which is fair enough; Android is still under main control of Google but thats understandable too.

The point you and others seem to miss over and over again, is that Flash is just one part of an overall digital tool-kit. It, and like others, can all be used inappropriately and inappropriately, but they all have their uses. The difference is that its proved itself over and over again to be extremely versatile.

On a personal note, if yours crashes as much as you make out I'm quite concerned about the machine you use, I don't think I've had a flash application crash my browser for a very long time, I've had java applications do it on several occasions mind.]]>May 18th 2010 5:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
I totally respect the performance comparisons, but as you say HTML5 is a draft spec. First-gen implementations mean nothing, so we can't say for sure which system performs better. Letting this become an open and competitive market will mean better performance (like we've seen for javascript engines).

Google used to be against flash because it couldn't be indexed by their search engine. I suppose they've sorted that out in the time since. However, I maintain my original argument: Flash is against Google's apparent ethos of an open web, and I would have liked Google to take the chance the further that aim by rejecting flash.

I'm not alone in the flash crashes. Here's a case where Mark Russinovich (basically, the computer version of Dr. House) found flash making his wife's IE spike to 50%. http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/archive/2008/09/24/31268 58.aspx ... More ting this become an open and competitive market will mean better performance (like we've seen for javascript engines).

Google used to be against flash because it couldn't be indexed by their search engine. I suppose they've sorted that out in the time since. However, I maintain my original argument: Flash is against Google's apparent ethos of an open web, and I would have liked Google to take the chance the further that aim by rejecting flash.]]>May 18th 2010 6:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
And you are correct, Google is now able to index flash content. You should be aware, that it was not google's issues with flash. It was from an understandable SEO perspective at the time, more industry concern than that of Google's (this issue was resolved with google indexing flash apps).

But as I mentioned, things progress, and by the same token as you pointing out HTML-5 progression (though I should note it's not a w3c standard and is not likely to be accepted as one until 2020), I would be careful not to make the assumption that flash will stand still during this time. If anything, this heat on Adobe is good in a sense, and like evolution its pressures that make you evolve- win win for the consumer really.]]>May 18th 2010 6:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/That's a bad comparison.

"Co-ordinated attempts to wipe out something that an overall minority of people dislike."
And all I see is a minority that likes it.

"Full 10.1 wouldn't work well on mobile platform? Have you tried it.."
If it wasn't for Apple's move, I am pretty sure you wouldn't be having 10.1 now. And let's see how it performs first.

"Not widely used? Yes it is."
This comes from Adobe's stats? The 99%? That's just people who installed the plugin.

"HTML-5? Ready in 2012, not supported properly by 99% of browsers."
And if we leave this to Adobe it will never be.

http://crash-stats.mozilla.com/query/query?product=Firefox&version=ALL%3AALL&platform=mac&range_value=1&range_unit=weeks&date=05%2F05%2F2010+13%3A47%3A32&query_search=signature&query_type=exact&query=&build_id=&process_type=all&do_query=1
"Crashes on Mac? Where's Apple's crash reports.."]]>May 18th 2010 6:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/May 18th 2010 6:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/-It's a fair companion.
-That's simply not true.
-No, 10.1 was always coming to Android.
-Not from Adobe's stats, from everyone's stats.
-Oh please, don't be daft.
-Apple reports not mozilla reports. ]]>May 18th 2010 6:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/May 18th 2010 6:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
I honestly just don't understand why you android fanboys feel the NEED to attack Apple & Jobs about this new feature....

Who cares? Certainly not Apple or Steve Jobs. I hear people saying, "your move Steve!" but correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't he ALREADY made his "move" by not allowing Flash in any form in iPhone OS and on any Apple product save the MacBooks?

Its fine if YOU guys want Flash. Thats totally cool....but why exactly should the rest of us care? And what makes you think that I as an iPhone 3GS owner or any one of the millions of iPhone users cares?

Why are you trying to force Flash onto OUR devices. IF you don't like Flash then it shouldn't be a crime. Nor should we be looked down upon for agreeing with Apple.

Since you guys do like flash then android is obviously your choice. But don't assume that because android is flash it is the best OS there and THE ONLY choice for an individual.

Again though the crux of my statement is this...why exactly are all the android fanboys using this as some type of attack on Apple? Steve and Apple have said MULTIPLE times that they do not care about Adobe or Flash?

What's happened to make them think differently? And do you honestly think that Froyo/android 2.2 will change their attitude?

If so I'm sure you believe in unicorns as well...]]>May 18th 2010 7:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/May 18th 2010 7:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/"Google hates Apple, Apple Hates Adobe, Microsoft wants Silver Light to replace Flash..... etc etc etc." None of these BS matters to the consumer. What Steve Jobs has done is dictating what can and cant be used on their products. And obviously, restriction of choice is bad for consumer.

At the end of the day, the reasons Jobs has given for his anti-flash move is hollow. If flash is such a bad product and HTML5 is pure gold,
developers and consumers alike will choose it over time. Who made Steve Jobs, the guide to the promised land of awesome web browsing???]]>May 18th 2010 7:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/May 18th 2010 7:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
well done man, I totally agree with you.

]]>May 18th 2010 7:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/May 18th 2010 7:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
Ever seen the Move The Matrix Reloaded, when the Gate Keeper asked Neo why do it.....And Neo's response...

Because I chose to.....Its about choice....

Even MS gives you choice.....that says alot...]]>May 18th 2010 7:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/May 18th 2010 7:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
The fact is HTML 5 is nowhere near being finished and won't be for at least 5 more years . In addition to this, it is a Markup language and by itself has nothing to do with rendering video or apply any other media content. You still need codec or other plugins for it to do that. For Apple the codec of choice is H. 264 ( for video) but this isn't decided by which is best but rather by the fact they have a direct interest in promotong that video standard ( being a licensor for Mpeg-la ) just like Adobe has a direct interest in promoting Flash.

This isn't a battle between "good and bad " , it is a battle between two companies protecting their $$ .The fact Google apparently isn't planning on abandoning Flash any time soon is suggesting Flash does work properly for mobile devices - as we already knew from leaked videos etc. - so we can dispense with the "technological argument " brought forward by Jobs . Google isn't a licensor for H.264 so they don't have to promote it, they can simply pick wichever they deem best ( for the time being at least ) .


]]>May 18th 2010 7:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
I am still waiting for your google evidence. We are not talking about Microsoft, we are talking about flash on android. Please cite your crazy claims.]]>May 18th 2010 9:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
People are just obsessed with agreeing with whatever apple says. There's nothing wrong with flash, and contrary to popular belief, HTML 5 is NOT a replacement for flash. ]]>May 18th 2010 9:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/

Sarcasm


Apple=fail]]>May 18th 2010 9:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/May 18th 2010 10:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
"Three years after the iPhone comes out, Adobe manages to make a version of Flash that will run on a smartphone."

I hope they didn't strain anything working so hard and quickly.]]>May 18th 2010 10:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
It took 3 years to give up.]]>May 18th 2010 10:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/May 18th 2010 10:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/have fun making excuses for android's fragmentation.

windows phone 7 will be automatically available for every phone for every update.

]]>May 18th 2010 10:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
For me it is Mint.com, Hulu, and Google Analytics. The rest use flash for video or ads which can easily be done with HTML5 now. Everyone is acting like Flash is some amazing technology strewn across the internet...I just want to know where you guys actually use it.

]]>May 18th 2010 10:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/I care. As a iPhone owner, when I bought into the platform it was not made clear to me that Apple would act as a moral censor on my behalf on what I can or cannot install.

As soon as my contract lets me this fall, I'll be leaving Apple and AT&T for an Android solution. And that is huge when I consider the investment on accessories I have for the iPhone.

I just can't stand the lies from Apple. Their claims to "protect" me which really means "protect them from the competition" sicken me. And this is from a graphic designer of 18 years - a loooong history with the Apple platform.

I want the old mentality of "Think Different" not this new "Do What We Say"]]>May 18th 2010 11:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
How Can you call the Lack of something a Feature???

How many gallons of the Jobs Kool-Aid have you drunk?

I suppose the Lack of MMs and Video on the first itterations of the iPhone where also features??

Also, many people that are speaking up ARE iPhone/iTouch/ and Now iPAD owners, Hell even Hulu has trashed HTML5 showing its true Limitations

quote from hulu's Blog on HTML-5
"An Aside on HTML5
Those are the highlights of our new player. Before we move on to the other updates to our site today, let me address a related topic that’s been in the news a lot recently: HTML5. Plenty of users and members of the press ask about this topic all the time.

When it comes to technology, our only guiding principle is to best serve the needs of all of our key customers: our viewers, our content partners who license programs to us, our advertisers, and each other. We continue to monitor developments on HTML5, but as of now it doesn’t yet meet all of our customers’ needs. Our player doesn’t just simply stream video, it must also secure the content, handle reporting for our advertisers, render the video using a high performance codec to ensure premium visual quality, communicate back with the server to determine how long to buffer and what bitrate to stream, and dozens of other things that aren’t necessarily visible to the end user. Not all video sites have these needs, but for our business these are all important and often contractual requirements.

That’s not to say these features won’t be added to HTML5 in the future (or be easier to implement). Technology is a fast-moving space and we’re constantly evaluating which tools will best allow us to fulfill our mission for as many of our customers as possible."

so yea go ahead and enjoy you "Magical Revolution" HTML-5 has issues and untill those issues are resolved both Flash and HTML-5 should be supported, and than once HTML-5 is upto par with flash than talk about taking it down (maybe)]]>May 18th 2010 11:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/you fan girl]]>May 18th 2010 12:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/May 18th 2010 12:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/May 18th 2010 12:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/May 18th 2010 1:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/May 18th 2010 2:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/May 18th 2010 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
"It wouldn't even be able to run it anyway" seems to me to be the gadget equivalent of a spurned teenager retorting 'well I didn't even fancy you anyway'.

In response to this topic, I hate my android device more than I've ever hated anything in the world. Sure it runs Flash (Already, shockingly) but it also lasts about as long as I last in bed, About 10 minutes, before the batteries die. Plus it's fragmented and buggy and most of the android market apps are total rubbish.

I think if Steve Jobs hates Flash then so be it, people don't have to buy Apple products if they don't want to, if they'd rather trade ease of use for a 'more open platform' then they can. At the end of the day, I've tried both and I shall be crawling back to Apple as soon as I can (which is unfortunately in 23 months).]]>May 18th 2010 3:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/I agree. That last appearance by Jobs where he introduce iAds showed that he's moving the company's focus away from creating cool products and instead is dedicating his resources to battling Google over advertising revenue.

They had a good run. But no one can deny that Apple is slowly but surely alienating a lot of people that used to be in their corner.]]>May 18th 2010 3:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/
I just hope that Flash really does live up to real world expectations, I've been holding off buying an Android phone until they got their act together. If Flash really works well in "non-optimized" settings, and doesn't turn my phone into a neutron torch, then Apple will have lots to worry about.

]]>May 18th 2010 4:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/18/android-2-2-will-invite-you-to-visit-flash-enabled-sites-rub/ Gimmie a break, he just doesn't like Adobe having power on his platform, even though he knows that running Photoshop and other various Adobe programs are a big reason that people use Macs. It's a power play that I hope Android can stuff right back at him. Apple can do whatever they want but the only way that I will ever buy a tablet is when I can browse the whole web, not just some of it. I hope one comes out soon.
And by the way it says something about Apple when windows Media Player works better than Itunes.]]>May 18th 2010 4:55PM