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Suck it, Steve.]]>May 23rd 2010 12:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
It's like mentioning the Lakers whenever the Celtics are brought up.]]>May 23rd 2010 12:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
You sound a little butt hurt.

It's easy to mention Apple when they're the only real direct competitor to Android on the market until W7m comes out.]]>May 23rd 2010 12:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
Idk why you have to be offended, I mean really, it's pretty pathetic. It's ok to take a little pride in your OS, especially when you have something to get exited about in a future firmware update. This is coming from an ipad owner too.]]>May 23rd 2010 12:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/How dare you complain about fanboys with a name like that]]>May 23rd 2010 12:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
"Too bad it isnt better, its a clunky slow OS with no games, horrid media player, and worse UI"

FIFY: "Too bad it is better. It's a super fast OS with plenty of games, a myriad of media player choices, and a sleek and customizable UI"

Fail troll.]]>May 23rd 2010 12:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
Fact of the matter is Android has surpassed Apple's OS. Few times will I ever publicly state my opinion as FACT. I'm comfortable doing so now.]]>May 23rd 2010 12:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
One question guys...did froyo free up any of the ram? Something was wrong with the kernal and I want to know if google updated it.]]>May 23rd 2010 1:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/"surpassed".... in the US. Now the fact is right. You can't leave a part of it out when you make a statement like that. But with the rest I agree. With 'FragmentedAndroid' a new troll is born. Guess we will see a lot more of him in the future.]]>May 23rd 2010 1:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
You're are an apple fanboy who's nickname is "FragmentedAndroid" whining about how Android fanboys bring up Apple a lot.

OUR SHIELDS CAN'T REPEL IRONY OF THAT MAGNITUDE!]]>May 23rd 2010 1:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/I use Symbian and I have had Flash for years.

Nice try, though.]]>May 23rd 2010 1:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
Well do apple fanbois have to always say iphone has more apps or it has a nicer UI than the android devices?]]>May 23rd 2010 1:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
On 2.1, in ATK, I would see an average available memory of 60mb. Now I'm seeing an average of 200mb on 2.2, Froyo.

The phone is noticeably faster. I'll be uninstalling ATK shortly as I've been playing with 2.2 all day and haven't needed to use it.]]>May 23rd 2010 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/May 23rd 2010 1:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/

Be prepared for more BS in Steve's response to this.]]>May 23rd 2010 1:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
Fully charge a Nexus one with Froyo, then have it play a Flash video. And sit it next to a fully charged iPhone 3GS and have it play the same video but an HTML5 version of it and see which one dies first. If there is no clip that is hours long just keep replaying it the moment the clip ends.
]]>May 23rd 2010 1:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/May 23rd 2010 1:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/and how many times have you used android 2.2? oh. right. none.
Iphone has advantages
-games
-closed environment
-good media environment

android has advantages
-open
-flash 10.1
-multitasking
-diverse hardware
-nice ui

]]>May 23rd 2010 1:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
Holy shit you're dumb.]]>May 23rd 2010 1:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/May 23rd 2010 2:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/May 23rd 2010 2:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
Load up a Flash site on an Froyo-upgraded Nexus one, and pick a video to play. Now load up the same site on your iPhone, and stare at the blue and white cube where the video would have been.

Which viewing experience was superior?

Regardless of the battery life you get on one of those options, more options is not a bad thing. With that having been said, by all means, let's test the battery life so that we know how much flash video playback you can do on a full charge vs native video playback. In this case, It wouldn't surprise me if they've gotten it pretty close. It seems like Adobe did a pretty decent job of optimizing things . . .



]]>May 23rd 2010 2:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
Then put them both together and play an animation/game with HTML5...oh wait..]]>May 23rd 2010 2:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/You gotta pay the troll toll to get into this boy's hole, you gotta pay the troll toll to get in.]]>May 23rd 2010 2:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/May 23rd 2010 2:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/May 23rd 2010 3:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/May 23rd 2010 4:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/well, the OS is faster than iphone os, is much smoother, the amount of games is slightly lacking, but it does have many games, plus, with the addition of flash, say hello to games on web browsers, kongregate games anyone? :D
and i wouldnt brag about itunes either...
and sense UI>anything iphone UI]]>May 23rd 2010 4:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/May 23rd 2010 5:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
Flash is a lot faster and more efficient than HTML5 on phones.

You can find a few videos on youtube to see how much HTML5 sucks on those devices. It's in fact much much worse than the Flash Lite 4 you see above.]]>May 23rd 2010 5:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
In fact, you would NOT prefer HTML5, even if it was an option. At least not yet.

You can look up some videos on youtube to see how much HTML5 sucks on those phones. It's crazy.

Flash works much, much better. Even Flash Lite works much better.

Now of course HTML5 is still new and will get better over time. But it's not some kind of magic. For now, Flash just works a lot better (and of course more efficient as well).]]>May 23rd 2010 6:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/May 23rd 2010 6:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/May 23rd 2010 6:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
Your test fails if there is no HTML5 version available. Then the Nexus One is playing content and the iPhone is doing nothing.]]>May 23rd 2010 6:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/"The Nexus One with Flash is boss.

Suck it, Steve."

Man, that's not a boss, that's a KING.
]]>May 23rd 2010 7:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://bit.ly/android-flash-is-here
]]>May 23rd 2010 7:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/"If you market your product as the best internet experience, but have NO FLASH, YOU BLEW IT"
Android 2.2 + Flash 10.1]]>May 23rd 2010 7:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
An Eclair isn't puff pastry, it's Choux....]]>May 23rd 2010 8:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
Personally I still prefer the iPhone navigation to the HTC Incredible which I tried out recently but I guess it's a personal aesthetic thing.

Of course in terms of sales and revenue for now iPhone is ahead of Android for now. No carrier that offers both platforms in ANY country ever sells more Android than iPhones. Not one single carrier! Now isn't that something!!]]>May 23rd 2010 8:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
Having said that, just a mere few months ago chumps like fragmentedandroid couldn't help themselves from going into every android story and blanketing it with insults and derision, so it is kind of humorous how things have shifted.]]>May 23rd 2010 9:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
News flash! Froyo plays HTML 5 videos too. So why not put a N1 playing HTML 5 video next to an iPhone playing HTML 5 video?]]>May 23rd 2010 9:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/May 23rd 2010 9:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/May 23rd 2010 10:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/When did Symbian get flash?
Flash lite- yeah...they are NOT the same (just watch the video, lol).]]>May 23rd 2010 10:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/May 23rd 2010 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zZLp1e2FiQ]]>May 23rd 2010 10:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/May 23rd 2010 11:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/First off, according to our own informal polling, a plurality of iPhone OS users consider the lack of Flash support a feature rather than a hindrance. 27% of people we polled said they were outright glad the iPad doesn't have Flash support; another 21% didn't care if it had Flash or not. Only 10% of poll respondents said they weren't buying an iPad specifically because of its lack of Flash support.

Second, reports of Flash support on Android are mixed. Many reviewers have said the playback stutters on even moderately demanding video content, crashes fairly often, and the handset gets "piping hot" and takes a significant hit to battery life after only half an hour of use. Hmm, sounds familiar... almost as if someone laid out a logical argument against including Flash on the iPhone for precisely those reasons.

Reviewers have been careful to note that the version of Flash running on Android is only in beta, with no support for hardware acceleration. Note that this is as far as Adobe's been able to come with Flash on Android despite 100% access to the platform and 100% co-operation with Google in its implementation after plenty of time to work on it. And once Google's got Flash's big boulder chained to their foot, good luck to them when they try to update Android without having Adobe constantly in their business.

PC World's claim that Android's Flash support gives Android users access to "far more content" than the iPhone is particularly amusing -- many sites (such as Hulu) don't work on Android either, even with Flash support. Other content providers, like ABC and CBS, are either switching their sites to iPad/iPhone-friendly HTML5 or building dedicated viewer apps for the iPhone OS.

Flash is a sinking ship; if your OS's main point of differentiation from iPhone OS has nothing to do with your own tools, then bon chance, mon ami.]]>May 23rd 2010 11:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/
1) Your polling only shows one thing: Users are stupid and believe crap that's spread over the internet, instead of trying to inform themselves and find out about the facts.

2) Those facts are: Flash on mobile devices works far, far better than HTML5. Not only that, but HTML5 plain sucks on mobile devices, whether it's the iPhone, an Android or any other phone. Flash, by contrast, works quite well.

3) Before you answer, please inform yourself, instead of repeating the lies and FUD that's spread over the internet. You will see that indeed the opposite of what many people believe is true. Yes, Flash works, HTML5 sucks on mobile devices.]]>May 23rd 2010 12:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/23/flash-10-1-on-froyo-goes-tete-a-tete-with-flash-lite-4-on-eclai/May 23rd 2010 12:15PM