http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/May 25th 2010 8:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/May 25th 2010 8:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/Maybe this is a Netherlands specific thing, but I'm on an HSDPA+ and I get consistent download speeds of 3.2-3.3MBit in HSDPA+ areas, which is very similar to the ideal situation results Engadget got with the WiMAX tower in the same building.

Unfortunately because it's HSDPA+ (emphasis on the D) the up speed is quite terrible. Which will make video upload for video calling a problem. Other than that, I really don't see much use for speedy upload on a phone anyway. Either way, I'm happy to wait a bit longer for LTE to roll out over here. HSDPA+ is serving me quite fine for now.]]>May 25th 2010 9:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/
TMO is calling it "4G speeds" because Clear/Sprint has the audacity to call WiMax 4G, yet it currently under-performs HSPA+.

So Engadget, blame your sponsor, not T-Mobile.]]>May 25th 2010 9:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/May 25th 2010 9:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/It's funny how engadget is being so proper about what is 4G and yet they continue to refer to the next iPhone as the iPhone 4G. It's neither running on an LTE network (maybe next year), nor is it the fourth generation iPhone (the iPhone and iPhone 3G are part of the same generation)]]>May 25th 2010 9:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/
Whats wrong with saying 4g speeds if it is 4g speeds?
there have been several reports that T-mo's hspa+ is actually faster and more consistent than sprints wi-max

http://androinica.com/2010/03/24/t-mobiles-3g-network-is-faster-than-sprints-4g-network-huh/]]>May 25th 2010 9:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/why is the iPhone and iPhone 3g the same generation? You baffel me with that statement. That was a much bigger jump than the 3g to the 3gs!]]>May 25th 2010 9:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/There is a universally accepted definition of 4G. It's called IMT Advanced (International Mobile Telecommunications Advanced) and it's defined by the International Telecommunication Union. It's all explained here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4g
Sprint's "4G" isn't 4G either. Current WiMax is 802.16e, they need to upgrade to 802.16m, which is submitted as one of TWO 4G candidates (the other is the next upgrade to LTE).]]>May 25th 2010 9:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/
Pretty sure it's being called the iPhone 4G because it's the fourth generation. The "G# = generation number" nomenclature for Apple devices was around before the iPhone (iPod 5G, iPod Nano 2G, iPod touch 3G, etc).]]>May 25th 2010 10:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/The only difference between the 3G and the original iPhone was.... 3g and A-GPS.
Whereas the 3GS has a Cortex A8 processor (it's more than twice as fast), a better camera, video capability, more ram, and a magnetic sensor.

The only way your comment is even remotely true is if you think the only difference between each iPhone is the shape.]]>May 25th 2010 10:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/4th generation iPhone dude. But I see your point]]>May 25th 2010 10:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/
CDMA is garbage... GSM are way better.]]>May 25th 2010 10:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/2.5). Only desperate folks see the need to label dark gray as being black.]]>May 25th 2010 10:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/May 25th 2010 10:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/Ok yes the change in the hardware it self was a major adjustment for the phone because it did make it lighter and easier to carry. The fact that it was jumped to 3g gave it so much more capability because the orginal had very slow load times compared to the 3g itself. The jump between edge and 3g was a major step to day that isn't a generation jump? Again baffling! Go back to your nerd world and leave the real world to people who can see the big picture. Big picture people rule the world my friend!]]>May 25th 2010 11:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/Thanks for downranking me but you guys are still wrong, first I'm not the one naming generations, if you look at the firmware files for the iPhones, the iPhone and iPhone 3G are 1,1 and 1,2 respectively, the first number being the generation, the iPhone 3GS is 2,1. Secondly the only times Apple officially used the "xG" notation for naming generations is for the PowerPC Macs, the xG actually reffering to a newer processor being used. Lastly, the iPhone 3GS was a bigger jump than the 3G, the 3G took the same hardware and added a GPS and 3G radio which many smartphones at the time already had, they also swapped out the aluminum casing for plastic which provides better reception, overall though the year between just helped drop the price to the now standard $200, the fact that the newer OSes leave out software features on the first iPhone are simply Apple's decision. The 3GS used a new Cortex A8-based SoC including a new PowerVR SGX GPU, double the RAM, and some minor outer improvements, a movement to another SoC (the Apple A4 presumably) would definitely be a new generation.]]>May 26th 2010 1:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/May 26th 2010 1:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://j.mp/att-deadlast-carrier]]>May 26th 2010 5:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/May 26th 2010 6:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/
Advertising the current technologies as delivering 4G speeds is also pushing it a bit. In other parts of the world the rollout of HSPA+ has been going on for a long time ago and this what normally is understood as 3G. I think the American market has just been used to low bandwidths and anything faster than what has previously been experienced is just marketed as 4G. If you repeat the message enough times, it will (almost) become the truth.

LTE doesn't even meet the defined IMT-Advanced specifications for 4G, but will be superior to what technologies have been used so far.

But there is a lot more to experienced bandwidth than just the mobile standard in use. Capacity in each cell as well as the infrastructure behind is crucial. Also to deliver the those crazy speeds seen in test setups, larger frequency portions (ie 2x30 MHz) and MIMO antennas would be required.]]>May 26th 2010 6:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/]]>May 26th 2010 12:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/Just for the record. I did not downrank you. Just wanted to say someone else is downranking you my man. ]]>May 26th 2010 12:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/
It's not 4G speeds. I've used 4G on my laptop, since they opened the worlds first 4G network (LTE) here in Norway last year. With perfect conditions you should be able to hit about 90 Mbit down and 50 Mbit up. I "only" got 45 MBit down and 20+ Mbit up, but even that is quite a bit faster. ]]>May 26th 2010 8:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/Jun 3rd 2010 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/May 25th 2010 8:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/Hey, back off att!
They know first hand what it means to mislabel something.
]]>May 25th 2010 8:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/AT&T should just go ahead and label their 3G network "shit"]]>May 25th 2010 9:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/
I actually laughed out loud at that]]>May 25th 2010 9:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/me too !!!!! And I had a drink in my mouth!!!]]>May 25th 2010 9:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/May 25th 2010 10:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/May 25th 2010 10:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/I concur, and might I add 'total'?]]>May 26th 2010 12:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/I'm glad to hear I made you choke =]]]>May 26th 2010 12:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/May 26th 2010 3:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/May 25th 2010 8:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/
What seems wrong?

AT&T DOES have the fastest 3G network....its been proven time and time again.

As far as how big that network is then yes Verizon wins hands down...

Am I missing something here? or are you just another hater who wants to bash AT&T because they have the iPhone?]]>May 25th 2010 8:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/May 25th 2010 8:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/
fastest - faster than the other comparators. Anything else?]]>May 25th 2010 8:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/
HSPA+ is 3G technology with 4G speeds. That's what's wrong. If T-Mobile has a 3G network that can deliver 4G speeds, then obviously AT&T doesn't have the nation's fastest 3G network.]]>May 25th 2010 8:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/
AT&T has the fastest theoretical High Speed connection. Of course, only about 20 people experience that. Everyone else is stuck on the slowest network in the US.]]>May 25th 2010 8:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/
Except how much of T-Mobiles network is HSPA+?

Unless its 100% HSPA+ then no they don't have a faster 3G network.

More importantly is HSPA+ classified as 4G speeds? AT&T doesn't seem to think so...

As for me I will defer to others who are more knowledgeable in this are but from my brief reading up on the subject I don't believe HSPA+ is 4G. Its more like an intermediary.

Therefore AT&T isn't saying anything wrong here.

Again if T-Mobile's network was mostly HSPA+ or 100% HSPA+ then they'd have the "fastest" 3G network...]]>May 25th 2010 8:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/
Yeah you're overexaggerating....typical of AT&T Haters....

I happen to get really nice speeds with them. But of course I'm just one person...

I will say though that internet on my iPhone is a million times faster than it ever was on Sprint with my HTC Touch Pro.]]>May 25th 2010 9:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/
There's no hating... T-Mobile's HSPA+ of 21mbps is already out here in Philly... and is currently being rolled out across the nation as I type. AT&T hasn't started their HSPA+ upgrade yet (could be wrong... but that's how I've been following it so far... open to correction, though)... so right now yes, T-mo can boast having the fastest 3G network, because... well... 21mbps is way faster than 7.2, savvy?]]>May 25th 2010 9:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/
You started off arguement really well by blew it by saying "...bash AT&T because they have the iPhone?"

Seriously dude, leave that crap phone out of it.

As for the article, I agree. AT&T dies have the fastest network. Hands down. I have a Fuze and that thing flies. And I also won an iPhone 2G. I use it as an iPod in my car. I did pop my SIM in there a few times and even on EDGE, AT&T's speeds rival that those of VZW's 3G.

Biggest 3G network - Verizon
Fastest 3G network - AT&T

That's my personal experience on it. I've had both carriers' service. Switching to Sprint on June 4th, however. Looking forward to getting that WiMAX 4G In Tampa by Q4 2010. Yay!]]>May 25th 2010 9:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/
Jesus H Christ like I just said if they had HSPA+ in most markets then I'd have no problems with them stating this claim.

I don't know the current state of the HSPA+ rollout but I'm sure its not even in 50% of their network....

So therefore I don't think they can claim that they have the fastest "3G Network"

savvy?]]>May 25th 2010 9:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/May 25th 2010 9:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/You were the only one who said iPhone. Get a grip, you paranoid troll, no one is attacking AT&T because of the iPhone,

they're attacking because AT&T is a hypocritical, mislabeling, over advertised, company that would rather spend its resources on commercials and law suits then fixing their coverage in the first place.

F###ing troll.]]>May 25th 2010 9:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/May 25th 2010 9:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/atandt-cries-foul-over-t-mobiles-hspa-is-4g-talk/
Aww yes the common hater fallback....

When you're wrong the other person = troll....

Really stop crying. You're wrong. Deal with it.]]>May 25th 2010 9:16PM