http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 1:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
what a joke... and they expect us to believe in some i897 model.]]>May 28th 2010 2:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
No, it proof that Samsung is not smarter than XDA developer.

They just don't want to do it.( SAVE $$$, RIP OFF BETTER)]]>May 28th 2010 2:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
What the heck are you talking about?! If it proves anything it's that manufacturers shouldn't slap their ugly custom user interfaces on top of Android and that Samsung is lazy!]]>May 28th 2010 2:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
Haha nice]]>May 28th 2010 2:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
Get used to it.]]>May 28th 2010 3:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
Hardware only age is fading out. Software became big deal. it is new trend.

Get use to it.]]>May 28th 2010 3:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 3:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
I understand the crave of people, wanting to have the latest and greatest. But on the other hand, where should the money come from to continuously give existing customers MORE than they paid for ?

The better the iPhone OS is, the more money the users spend by using the handset (iTunes, Appstore, Browser, Ads...).
The better the Google OS is, the more Ad-money GOOGLE can make from it and the better their strategic position in this market becomes.

But unlike Apple, Google doesn't adapt their OS to the HW it uses, the vendor has to do it. Every time Google changes something.

See the difference here?
How can this be a vital SW-market if the HW-provider is supposed to spend money he is not going to earn back?]]>May 28th 2010 5:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
They will have to update their phones. Why? Word gets out to people (like us) that they don't so the push back will prove insurmountable as well as bad press it causes. Apple has updated/upgraded even early iPhones for a very extended period of time (the 1st gen is just now getting cut off - that's 3 years later) So to compete, phone manufacturers will have to do the same.

You can (actually) thank Apple for something]]>May 28th 2010 8:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/Can't hep but say good luck at the people who are `eagerly` waiting for the Galaxy S...]]>May 28th 2010 8:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 10:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 10:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/]]>May 28th 2010 11:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
I agree with you people might be expecting too much support on some devices. Most of this comes from rumors that flow heavily on the internet that never are confirmed by the manufacturers. However when a manufacturer specifically says in their marketing "upgradeable to 2.0 when the software becomes available" it becomes a reason to pick a handset. It's bait and switch at this point. They sold you hardware in promise of a road map of support that would get and probably end after the 2.0 patch, now they are switching to 1.6. I think this is a legal issue, which imo needs to be done to teach Samsung a lesson. They've always cut update support short on what seems like all devices. The Instinct series on Sprint rings the loudest in my ears. The original Instinct was Sprints best selling phone in their history, yet it still is buggy to this day. In the situation of the Behold2 Samsung actually sold the phone WITH a promise of an upgrade which means that no matter how much money it costs them to update a phone that sold like crap they need to do it or lose consumer trust. If the 2.0 upgrade was just a rumor on Engadget I'd be saying "tough luck" to Behold2 owners, but it's not.

But just to touch on what I did. My G1 died last month. I needed a new Android phone. The Behold2 was free on Tmos website at the time. With my experience with the Instinct line I shied away from Samsung. I bought a Cliq XT for $130 insted. It also has official word from Motorola that it will be getting a 2.1 upgrade. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that they'll come through and not screw me. However from my personal experience I didn't trust Samsung. Fool me once shame on you....lead me to avoid Samsung products. In the end they are going to lose customers with a strategy like theirs, and I hope they get sued over the Behold2 fiasco.]]>May 28th 2010 11:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
After they sold Hardware, it is not over with customer. Customer keep interact with their product. Depend on their experience, they will decide future purchase,

To the manufacture, it seems to easy to leave customer without update. However, they will recognize it when market Apps start to refuse their OS version.

Internet community make customer's feedback to have power to decline company sales. Engadget commenter will check reviews and other's feedback first right? Sure, more people will do that in future.]]>May 28th 2010 11:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
Android is one of the LEAST fragmented OSes out there.. Count how many different Apple, M$, or Nokia backed OS versions are roaming around the marketplace... You buy a device for the features at that time.. You don't buy a device to piggback features from newer advanced devices in the future..

Android has 4 versions, Apple has 6 currently without counting OS4, MS has around 7 without counting WP7.. ]]>May 28th 2010 12:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 9:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 1:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/samsung wont release the kernal source for this phone because touchwiz use the same security as their tvs so galaxy s is a no go]]>May 28th 2010 2:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
We as a community need to put increased pressure on companies that violate the GPL. Too many companies are using Linux on mobile phones, tablets, MIDs, media players, routers, set top boxes and other embedded devices and either delaying the release of the required source code or not releasing it at all.

If a company cant release the source code to the kernel used on your device without giving out hardware specs that are under NDA or without giving out secrets to device (or content) security or without giving out other stuff that the company maintains needs to be secret then said company should not release the product in the first place.
]]>May 28th 2010 7:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 1:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 2:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/i like it. it's like a blank stare. no blinking either. ice cold, dude.]]>May 28th 2010 9:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 10:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/-__-]]>May 28th 2010 5:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
Thanks Sammy!

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/s]]>May 28th 2010 2:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 2:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 2:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 2:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
In Smartphone World, software update is BIG deal when most people stuck with 2year contract and $25~$30 data plan.]]>May 28th 2010 2:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/the thing is this phone came out when the nexus 1 was a rumor and if you were to walk in a tmobile store and ask about there phones the would tell you this phone is getting a 2.0 upgrade and soon]]>May 28th 2010 2:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 3:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
Because market has been changed. Smartphone is becoming main stream. People will start to count Software Update as Value.

Android is Open Source, it is clear to see manufacture's support.

Let's say, there is two smart-phone when you buy Smart-phone, One has consistent software support, and other one is not. What would you buy?]]>May 28th 2010 3:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
the latest firmware for the n95, which was released in 2007, is from december 2009]]>May 28th 2010 3:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 4:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 4:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 5:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
i wouldn't know, i have an android]]>May 28th 2010 6:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 6:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
But in many cases, those Firmware updates to a single OS give the same added functionality as a new OS iteration for Android. It is a matter of terminology. ]]>May 28th 2010 7:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
They keep lying to customers. First, the promotional video saying we'll get 2.0, then the recent statement that the Behold II cannot be upgraded past 1.6. The technical specs of the device, which are surprisingly difficult to track down (why, Samsung?) prove that the device is comparable to, say, the Moto Cliq, which was confirmed as getting 2.1.

I HAD been a pretty loyal Samsung customer for several years. I've bought their phones, TVs, DVD players, and other electronics. But I don't like being lied to, especially when it's this obvious. On my life, I will never buy another Samsung product again. And I'll be shopping for a replacement phone this week. HTC seems nice...]]>May 28th 2010 10:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
I'm nor defending this practice, but at the same time, nobody should be surprised about this. If you are concerned about OS updates, get a Nexus One (while it lasts).]]>May 28th 2010 2:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
Think about it, obsolescence in the true form, means no longer being able to be used; not useful. Not, no longer as good as the best. There are plenty of definitions using "out of date", but surely something that is good one day and not good the next is, again, being hyperbolic. As if, if Google wouldn't just update the damn software I'd have a phone that wouldn't be "*obsolete*". I have a problem with that definition. ]]>May 28th 2010 4:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/
Also, the E71x does not receive as many updates direct from Nokia, because it is a provider independent phone and was never sold through Nokia directly.

In fact, the E71 received yet another update just this month which has upgraded Microsoft Exchange and the built-in messaging apps. Since owning the phone on launch, I have obtained at least a dozen software upgrades from Nokia.

Please don't get the issue confused, just because your provider does not allow you to upgrade the phone, doesn't mean Nokia doesn't allow it. For example, if you purchase the E71 through Rogers in Canada and attempt to upgrade it, it will give an error message saying "Your provider has not approved the latest software upgrade." In fact, Rogers has not approved any of the software upgrades since the launch firmware. However, my E71 is unlocked and was purchased directly from Nokia. I get an update for the phone about every 3-4 months.]]>May 29th 2010 10:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 2:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/Oh c'mon, just cus us tech freaks didn't like the Behold2 doesn't make it ok for them to bait and switch their customers. People paid good money for that phone with a promise by the company for support up to but not beyond 2.0.]]>May 28th 2010 11:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/May 28th 2010 2:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/samsung-planning-android-1-6-update-for-behold-ii-but-thats/All death star servers are belong to Skynet.]]>May 28th 2010 4:08AM