http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/ Engadget Comments for Steve Jobs on Foxconn: 'We're all over this' http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 1st 2010 10:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
Or if they just manufactured their products in the US...]]>Jun 1st 2010 10:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 1st 2010 10:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
Does every sentence that comes out of his mouth warrant a full article? NO.. and will someone please get him a belt.. and some jeans that fit?? What a goon.. no wonder apple products aren't for the business world, their CEO doesn't know how to dress for one.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 8:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
no thats not an option either]]>Jun 2nd 2010 12:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 2nd 2010 1:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 1st 2010 10:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 1st 2010 10:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 1st 2010 10:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 2nd 2010 12:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
If he cared then things would have changed without a media hype forcing it. ]]>Jun 2nd 2010 12:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 2nd 2010 12:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 1st 2010 10:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 1st 2010 11:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
You cannot, you just cannot hold a company responsible for a rumour that someone, somewhere started.

But hey, when you're that desperate to paint Apple in a bad light, who cares about little details?]]>Jun 3rd 2010 10:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 1st 2010 10:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
As (fake) Steve Jobs pointed out --

What's the suicide rate at Walmart, which employs 2.1M people worldwide? Are 10-15 people jumping off Walmart roofs monthly?

I didn't think so.]]>Jun 1st 2010 10:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Also, Walmart workers don't live at the store like Foxconn employees do, so when they kill themselves it's not usually reported as a suicide statistic for Walmart.
But people do pretty insane suicides at Walmart:
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/02/wal-mart-worker-immolates-self-in-parking-lot.html]]>Jun 1st 2010 10:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/"Also, Walmart workers aren't FORECED TO LIVE live at the store like Foxconn employees do..."

Fixed.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 8:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 2nd 2010 12:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
He said, the suicide rate at Foxconn was lower than the suicide rate in the US.

US suicide rate: 11.1 per 100,000 per annum. [1]
Urban Chinese aged 15-34: 7.37 per 100,000 per annum. [2]
Foxconn suicide rate: 5.71 per 100,000 per annum*. [2]

(*statistics for this year to date, adjusted for partial-record, 2010 has been by far the worst year for Foxconn suicides)

So Steve Jobs was correct. And also, the people saying the picture changes when you account for the age and locality of the workers are incorrect; Foxconn's rate is STILL lower.

"I didn't think so" you said, but if instead of just thinking about it, you had bothered to do a modicum of research, you wouldn't have made yourself look stupid by contradicting a person who was speaking the truth.

Oh, and check this:
France Telecom suicide rate: 15.3 per 100,000 per annum. [1]

Interesting, hey? In a modern, developed, capitalist country, too. I wonder why we don't hear about this from the seemingly-caring commenters here?

Oh yes, that's right, it's because you heartless, callous, disingenuous bastards might pretend that you care about the employees, but you don't, you just care about criticising Apple. For any reason, no matter how baseless.

Proof? There are many workplaces in the world with much higher suicide rates than Foxconn. But they don't make Apple products. So you don't mention them because you can't use them to create an attack on Steve Jobs.

Your pretence of concern, your fake and hypocritical tears, make me sick.

[1] Wikipedia [2] http://www.peopleforum.cn/viewthread.php?tid=20629]]>Jun 3rd 2010 11:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 1st 2010 10:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
Seriously, how few words does this guy have to say to say something apparently "significant"? ]]>Jun 1st 2010 10:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 1st 2010 10:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
The Taiwanese said it best Steve Jobs 'OEM profit bloodsucker']]>Jun 1st 2010 10:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 1st 2010 11:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/I am not so sure if breaking it down by age group is appropriate. I mean, you can go and find something else the 10 or so jumpers have in common, like wearing a certain brand of watch or their hometown, and then claim that in that category, the rate is 5 times higher than the national average.]]>Jun 1st 2010 11:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
Urban Chinese aged 15-34: 7.37 per 100,000 per annum.
Foxconn suicide rate 2010: 5.71 per 100,000 per annum.

[ http://www.peopleforum.cn/viewthread.php?tid=20629 ]

"Sorry Jobs justify death for your new liver fund." - gosh, how much of a horrible little person are you? You can't get the figures right ('cause if you do your argument vanishes) and then on the basis of your misdirected criticism you say that Jobs is justifying death for a new liver? You are a cancer of the internet; if only we had digital chemotherapy.]]>Jun 3rd 2010 11:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 1st 2010 10:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 1st 2010 10:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
Steve, get your foot out of your rear.]]>Jun 1st 2010 11:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
"The 2000 age-adjusted rate** was 10.6/100,000, or 0.01%."

In order to meet or exceed the US rate among the same age group, 42.4 Foxconn employees would have to commit suicide this year. These stats are some of the most recent I could find, but I can guarantee that they have only gone up in the years since.

Next time you could try doing a little research before posting. ]]>Jun 1st 2010 11:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
You didn't even bother to look it up? Ass.]]>Jun 1st 2010 11:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
Ummm, in THIS world. ]]>Jun 2nd 2010 11:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
Hopefully working conditions improve at Foxconn, and all factories in China for that matter.]]>Jun 2nd 2010 12:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 2nd 2010 1:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
Good to know from the same fella who sterilizes the applications that run on his products.
]]>Jun 2nd 2010 6:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/Jun 2nd 2010 11:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
Mmmmmm... steak...]]>Jun 2nd 2010 1:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
Lunatics walk into kindergartens and massacre children, then kill themselves. This is a new phenomenon here.

Workers at Foxconn are under much greater pressure than at other vendors.Couple that with wage inflation, they are likely to be able to earn the same money in their home towns as their incumbent employer. Its a dangerous cycle, but only 2 drops in a huge hailstorm of change.

It's about time Apple works with consultants who are on the ground. Not some book-writing intellectual, and not some 'china major' from Harvard. Find someone with real working CE experience who has dealt with issues like this over and over again, in environments that arent Apple. The 'disney' model they're following is outdated and naive. ]]>Jun 2nd 2010 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/and before you say "but they make apple products!!!1!" they also make microsoft products and dell products...why isn't anyone asking them to do something?]]>Jun 2nd 2010 1:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
I do believe Apple has a responsibility and an ability to make some change, but I don't feel they are at fault and that there is a limit on what is possible in this area when dealing with China.

]]>Jun 2nd 2010 1:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/steve-jobs-on-foxconn-were-all-over-this/
Even if Foxconn improves the conditions by adding a, what, a "stress relief room" for employees to take out their anger in, that doesn't change the fact that it is Foxconn that literally works its employees to death while raking in millions for the top management. A nice swimming pool? Are you kidding me? After working to exhaustion every day all these workers want to do is sleep as much as possible before the alarm goes off at 3 or 4am the next day. I'm sure being late for a shift is not an option if they want to keep their job, so the perks and amenities that Foxconn "graciously" provides are just for PR purposes. Foxconn needs to stop trying to spin this and allow its employees to have a life. Say, shorter shifts but with better pay so that employees don't have to keep working and stressing to unhealthy levels every day...

Yeah, yeah, so what if it costs Foxconn some few million dollars here and there. I don't know how much it brings in annually, but if it is, say, 300 million, does it really make that much difference if the price to improve the worker's quality of worklife "lowers" the profits to, say, 200 million? You're still making 200 million in profits a year already!!
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